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Tom Clark
11-23-2016, 06:33 PM
Here they go again... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/nov/23/censor-non-conventional-sex-acts-online-internet-pornography


Pictures and videos that show spanking, whipping or caning that leaves marks, and sex acts involving urination, female ejaculation or menstruation as well as sex in public are likely to be caught by the ban – in effect turning back the clock on Britain’s censorship regime to the pre-internet era.

The scale of the restrictions only became apparent after the BBFC, which has since 1984 been empowered to classify videos for commercial hire or sale, agreed to become the online age verification regulator last month. A spokeswoman for the BBFC said it would also check whether sites host “pornographic content that we would refuse to classify”.

“In making this assessment, we will apply the standards that we apply to pornography that is distributed offline,” she said. “If a website fails on either of these [age verification or obscene content] tests then a notification of non-compliance will be sent to the site.”

Mark Tolch
11-23-2016, 06:40 PM
Lotta sex in convents over there?

enandalusiskhund
11-23-2016, 06:47 PM
Battling porn on the internet, eh? That sounds like an easy victory...

Paul L
11-23-2016, 06:59 PM
Battling porn on the internet, eh? That sounds like an easy victory...
Like putting your fingers in a dyke. (They'll be banning that next.)

This has been on the cards for a while; and I would imagine, the zealotry with which it's being pursued currently has been facilitated by our impending withdrawal of our manky carcass from the EU. The Digital Economy Bill is planned to hide all pornographic content behind what is effectively a paywall - regardless of whether said content is hosted in the UK or not. I have no flipping idea how they're going to get that one to work.

I would have thought there were far more pressing concerns in the UK than clamping down on pornography. But what do I know?

Matt H.
11-23-2016, 07:21 PM
Like putting your fingers in a dyke. (They'll be banning that next.)

:funny:

sukebanboy
11-23-2016, 07:49 PM
I think the main reason they can now attempt this is that the UK is now trying to make it mandatory to have age verification on all porn sites that are accessible from in the country...if the website refuse to have the age verification on their site they will block it. This of course gives the govt / BBFC a far greater power to atart laying down guidelines and parameters against these sites. Of course overaeas sites may still be viewable in the Uk if you know how to get around these barriers but that will not be understood by Joe Public in genenral.

Ita not going to stop weird porn....but it is going to make it a headache for websites and audience to access these things...and probably more expensive once the BBFC get into rating websites..as they will have to pay for the 'service' I presume...

Ah...the isolated island mentality..first BREXIT now PORNEXIT..:funny:

Keith H
11-24-2016, 11:50 AM
Well its going to be an impossible task. There's literally millions of porn sites far too many to force them to have age verification and not show naughty porn. When that fails what will happen is they will just make it illegal to watch them and then we're really screwed with the porn police knocking on the door!:tsk:

enandalusiskhund
11-24-2016, 03:21 PM
Also, why the hell is female ejaculation on that list? How can a natural sexual function of the female be deemed obscene? Isn't that rather sexist?

agent999
11-24-2016, 03:32 PM
Also, why the hell is female ejaculation on that list? How can a natural sexual function of the female be deemed obscene? Isn't that rather sexist?

It's because the BBFC have supposedly consulted an expert who advised them that it is just urination, although why watersports should be banned either is beyond me. Britain has a proud tradition of right wing twats trying to stop people watching what they like. No doubt they'll wheel out Graham Bright to say that watching a good fisting is harmful to dogs, just like he said about video nasties!

Paul L
11-24-2016, 05:07 PM
It's because the BBFC have supposedly consulted an expert who advised them that it is just urination, although why watersports should be banned either is beyond me.
There was quite an amusing article on Vice.com about this very issue a couple of years back:


Basically, some scientists in lab coats and BBFC board members in suits gathered in a lab together, and they still couldn't make out from the 80-minute emotional roller-coaster that is XXX British Hardcore 32 which bits were pissing and which bits were squirting. I mean, they were tapping at clipboards and looking through books. "Is that piss?" they're saying. They're squinting in and pausing. "That looks a bit pissy to me. Can't have piss. This is a jizz-only country. No pissing, no swearing. Look, that man there; he isn't covering that lady in his semen in a very polite way. And that is unacceptable."

As the BBFC tells us, a lot of the judgment being passed on squirting is because, in the sample porn they've seen, they've come across a lot of smoke-and-mirrors disguising of piss as squirt juice, in an effort to circumvent obscenity laws.
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/joel-golby-ejaculation-police-squirting-vaginas-jizzing-cocks-808

I'm not completely sure why urolagnia is a litmus test for whether a film may be regarded as obscene or not; I think it's bundled with a number of acts defined as involving 'perversion' and 'degradation' (ie, it's degrading to urinate on someone; someone should tell that to the Houses of Parliament, who piss on the rest of the population on a constant basis). That, and the notorious 'four finger rule' plus the old 'ILOOLI', has always struck me as utterly arbitrary. I think in 2009, the BBFC showed some footage containing urolagnia to the Met's Abusive and Extreme Images Unit, and over a nice, civilised cup of tea and some biscuits they all decided what was 'degrading' and what wasn't.

I believe the only time the BBFC have passed a film which includes female ejaculation was in 2009, with Anna Span's WOMEN LOVE PORN - but only after Span threatened to take the BBFC's original ban to the Video Appeals Committee.

Paul L
11-24-2016, 05:09 PM
:funny:
I thank you. I'm here all week. I recommend trying the hors d'oeuvres :biggrin:

Randy G
11-24-2016, 05:40 PM
Facials are okay but female ejaculation isn't?

Paul L
11-24-2016, 06:56 PM
Facials are okay but female ejaculation isn't?
Supposedly so.

Thomas Wood
11-24-2016, 09:02 PM
So I guess the episode of SHAMELESS from a few weeks ago will be banned in the U.K.?

JoeS
11-25-2016, 03:01 PM
Remember, prior to the EU, Britain had the strictest porn laws for movies and print - the infamous Whitehouse campaign etc.. With Brexit, is it any surprise that the bluenoses are sensing an opportunity?
Of course, this ain't the 70s and 80s where you had to smuggle stuff in luggage (including the Video Nasties tapes). Now, it's just clicks of a button, and unless the British Government wants to put up China/North Korea type internet censorship across the board, it aint' happening.

fatboyslim142
11-30-2016, 12:52 PM
Pic is from a Melon Farmers reader

http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/images/card_british_board_of_internet_censors.jpg

http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/uk_internet_censors_16d.htm#Wake_Up_Britain_Oppose _UK_internet_censorship_9560

Keeth
11-30-2016, 01:56 PM
You guys are lucky to have a government that cares about you so, so much!

sukebanboy
11-30-2016, 05:48 PM
You guys are lucky to have a government that cares about you so, so much!

I was just thinking the same thing myself not two minutes ago....how depraved and corrupt we would be without big brother looking out for us.....

Actually forget that...I am MIDDLE CLASS so these things dont apply to me...these restrictions only apply to you working class plebs....I am going to apply for a job at the BBFC so I can search porn websites, watch video nasties all day AND het paid for it!!

The careers officer at school swore blind to me that this kind of job does not exist...how wrong he was!!!

Tom Clark
12-01-2016, 08:16 PM
The sex acts being officially banned from UK porn (https://www.indy100.com/article/pornography-sexual-acts-banned-in-the-uk-7358961)


On Tuesday evening MPs did not oppose the third reading of the Digital Economy Bill, bringing it well on its way to becoming law.

The bill, once enacted, will see multiple sex acts banned from pornography, and also force consumers to request access to porn by signing up to an age verification programme.

The verification programme has been criticised for its implementation, which some argue would inevitably lead to a register of viewing habits of users.

Following the unopposed reading in the House of Commons, it will now go to the House of Lords.

sukebanboy
12-01-2016, 08:26 PM
Just have to rely on the porn lovers in the House of Lords to block this bill now:funny:

Adrian Jones
12-02-2016, 03:44 AM
Taking the spotlight off of their own 'non-conventional sex acts' no doubt!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/05/lost-child-abuse-files-home-office

Then there was our ex Prime Minister and that pig....Even Charlie Brooker never realised that 'Black Mirror' was a factual documentary!

https://twitter.com/charltonbrooker/status/645738652442734592

sukebanboy
12-02-2016, 03:46 AM
Very much a case of ' Do as I say..not as I do!!'....as usual..

Recoil
12-04-2016, 12:27 PM
The long-awaited sequel to the video nasties, now comes the internet nasties.

sukebanboy
12-04-2016, 12:40 PM
The long-awaited sequel to the video nasties, now comes the internet nasties.

At least it is NOT horror movies that are responsible for the decline of civilization....its water sport videos!!!:funny:

I am dying to see which titles make the NEW DPP list :funny:

Paul L
12-04-2016, 02:34 PM
Piss Holocaust
Piss Ferox
Don't Piss in the Woods
A Bay of Piss
Faces of Piss
Piss for Your Life
Forest of Piss
The Piss by the Cemetery
The Piss on the Edge of the Park
I Piss on Your Grave
Island of Piss
The Last Piss on the Left
Night of the Pissy Apes

etc, etc, etc.

(Too much thought has gone into this post. Sorry.)

Ignatius
12-04-2016, 05:06 PM
How could you forget Zombie Piss Eaters?

agent999
12-04-2016, 05:35 PM
or I Miss You Hugs and Pisses?

sukebanboy
12-04-2016, 05:59 PM
Evil Piss
Dont Piss In The House
Piss Camp 7
The Beast In Piss

Barry M
12-04-2016, 06:25 PM
So long, SEANCE ON A WET AFTERNOON.

Tom Clark
12-04-2016, 08:12 PM
Piss Hunter
Gestapo's Last Piss
Bloody Piss
Piss for Frankenstein
Piss of the Demon

Am I doing this right?

vincent_z
12-05-2016, 01:40 AM
Notising something, bunky?
Astonishingly, I've been out here on the World-Wide Web using this nickname since November 2004.
If you think you know who I am, please don't reveal it here.
The underlying cause of this is the complete reversal of the principal of U.S. jurisprudence: What was scribed as "Innocent until proven guilty" has been flipped to "GUILTY unless proven innocent".
How can I claim that?
How about looking at the queues of people at an airport in the U.S., where, if a person who has not PAID for less security inspection, spends more time being subjected to an agent's subjective contemplation of him / her as a potential criminal.
This is pathetic. But expressing discontent with this will land the complainant on the monitoring list for people to be inspected for the balance of his / her life. So many will not.
In the early 1970s, patrons in the U.K. rebelled against the wave of lager beer overtaking that of real ale on cask at your favorite pub. CAMRA did the improbable. It saved cask ale from this horrible onslaught.
Now, we need for more patrons in the U.K. to rebel against this ridiculous onslaught of what adults in the U.K. can view. Entertainment should never be reduced to that which will not "offend" thirteen-year-olds.
What is the contingency?
It is Tor (https://www.torproject.org/). I recommend turning off JavaScript, because somebody, somewhere is intent on finding out just who you are (even if it is merely to sell you something). The prohibiting body will haul out the spectre of "ch!ld pr0n" as to why they need to determine everybody out here, but if that is less than 1/2 percent of 100 (which it is), that is an absurd reason to expose everybody out here who may want to view erotica. (Where does 'underage erotica' begin and end? Is Brooke Shields in "Pretty Baby" foul? How about any number of David Hamilton photobooks and videos? Or is it as I suspect, whatever we need to arrest people we do not like.)
Maybe under this identity, I do not want to profess a desire to change the laws of the United States. (Maybe I am not even in the U.S.A., but let that description land under this identity.) But it should not affect the movement to at least, let these 1970s erotic movies get released via reputable channels.

Paul L
12-05-2016, 07:40 PM
Am I doing this right?
Yes, indeedy :biggrin:

Matt H.
12-05-2016, 07:47 PM
One more: ON GOLDEN POND.

Keith H
12-06-2016, 06:36 AM
You can laugh but its no fun here in the UK. If your found in possession of DVDs or videos of the likes of Waterpower or the uncut Candy Stripers by the porn police its classed as "extreme pornography" and treated the same as cp.
And if you think that's unlikely how about this scenario, your on holiday, your house gets burgled and the police are called. By the time you've got back home the cops have rummaged through your entire porn stash. I've had to ditch anything remotely dodgy just so I can sleep at night!
The way its going all the horror stuff will be next.

agent999
12-06-2016, 07:00 AM
The chances of UK police responding to a home burglary these days are virtually non existent. Plus the Crown Prosecution Service would be highly unlikely to prosecute, they can't even keep up with the volume of cp seizures. It's getting like THX1138 where they drop the pursuit for financial reasons!

Matt H.
12-06-2016, 11:56 AM
You can laugh but its no fun here in the UK. If your found in possession of DVDs or videos of the likes of Waterpower or the uncut Candy Stripers by the porn police its classed as "extreme pornography" and treated the same as cp.
And if you think that's unlikely how about this scenario, your on holiday, your house gets burgled and the police are called. By the time you've got back home the cops have rummaged through your entire porn stash. I've had to ditch anything remotely dodgy just so I can sleep at night!
The way its going all the horror stuff will be next.

No offense, but that sounds a wee bit paranoid; what are the chances of that actually happening to you in your lifetime? Sounds like worst-case scenario to me. You've honestly thrown out porn because you're afraid the police are going to knock down your door?

EDIT: Haha, I said "wee"

Randy G
12-07-2016, 07:26 AM
Regardless of the likelyhood it is absurd a citizen in a Western democracy should be worried because they have a copy of Candy Stripers.

Matt H.
12-07-2016, 11:41 AM
Regardless of the likelyhood it is absurd a citizen in a Western democracy should be worried because they have a copy of Candy Stripers.

On the positive side, it adds a little bit of danger and excitement knowing that you're watching something "forbidden". I'm just having trouble imagining how exactly a regular guy could be busted watching CANDY STRIPERS in his flat; would a neighbour call the cops if they heard suspicious moaning coming from the apartment next door? Stormtroopers going door-to-door asking if their is any piss porn on the premises? Again, I just think it's very unlikely that someone like us would ever get caught.

Randy G
12-07-2016, 07:56 PM
I can think of a pretty simple scenario: a former partner in a custody dispute reports the videos to get their partner jailed or found unfit to be a parent.

Several people were busted and sent to jail during the Video Nasties hysteria so it is hardly some impossibility.

Matt H.
12-07-2016, 08:09 PM
Several people were busted and sent to jail during the Video Nasties hysteria so it is hardly some impossibility.

Weren't those people distributors and video store owners, though? I agree that it's fucked up, but it's not the same thing as a person with a private collection in their home.

sukebanboy
12-08-2016, 01:35 AM
Interesting article about a case in UK where male escort was charged with making / selling extreme gay hardcore porn..he was aquitted by jury..
They were shown hours of hardcore gay scenes..initially they were shocked...hut quickly became bored and acquitted him :funny:


fisting and urination are completely legal to perform in real life; and thus it is only the representation of these acts on film which may be considered obscene and therefore attract criminal liability. Consequently many pornographic film producers operate a "four finger rule" to avoid the risk of criminal prosecution. This means that in such films only four fingers are inserted into the performers' vagina or anus, rather than the entire fist. It could be argued that this is an entirely arbitrary distinction as the act of fisting itself is not illegal. However, many pornographic film producers remain risk-averse and therefore the presumption that urination and fisting are obscene has endured as it seems that no previous defendant has been prepared to test the law in this area by electing jury trial."

R VS Peacock

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Peacock

Paul L
12-08-2016, 04:37 AM
Regardless of the likelyhood it is absurd a citizen in a Western democracy should be worried because they have a copy of Candy Stripers.

Weren't those people distributors and video store owners, though? I agree that it's fucked up, but it's not the same thing as a person with a private collection in their home.
It used to be that you had to be guilty of publishing or distributing 'obscene' imagery in order to be convicted under the OPA, but that was amended in 2008, with the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act, to accommodate possession of 'extreme' imagery too.

There are some interesting statistics here: https://inherentlyhuman.wordpress.com/2013/05/21/criminalising-extreme-pornography-five-years-on-mcglynn-and-rackley-on-the-extreme-pornography-provisions-a-misunderstood-and-misused-law/ These statistics suggest that 86% of prosecutions are regarding material that features bestiality.


Breakdown of cases reaching hearing by category of extreme pornography (2008 – November 2011)

Type of extreme pornography Number of cases Percentage
Life threatening injury 65 2.91%
Serious injury 245 10.96%
Necrophilia 4 0.18%
Bestiality 1922 85.95%
Total 2236

There was a fairly notorious case in 2009, in which a bus driver was charged with possession of a video of a woman having sex with an animal (a tiger), but on closer inspection it was revealed to be a man in a tiger costume - think Tony the Tiger ('They're grrreeatt!').
http://mylesjackman.com/index.php/my-blog/105-tiger-porn-victim-bites-back
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/laurence-dodds/11193562/Tiger-porn-bus-driver-fights-for-change-in-law.html

enandalusiskhund
12-08-2016, 05:12 AM
That must've been one hell of a tiger costume.

sukebanboy
12-08-2016, 05:37 AM
That must've been one hell of a tiger costume.

What would they have thought if they had caught him with that E.T. porn???

The mind boggles!!

Paul L
12-08-2016, 06:13 AM
That must've been one hell of a tiger costume.
Or the arresting copper's eyesight was terrible :biggrin:

Randy G
12-09-2016, 08:05 PM
The Tony the Tiger story just made my day.

Randy G
12-09-2016, 08:09 PM
Weren't those people distributors and video store owners, though? I agree that it's fucked up, but it's not the same thing as a person with a private collection in their home.

The case I recall is from the Video Nasties documentary, the police showed up amd searched the fellow's house and found the videos. Can't recall if he was selling them, trading or if it was just his own collection.

Not sure I see the difference, a citizen is being jailed for an absurd reason either way.

sukebanboy
12-09-2016, 10:34 PM
I miss those video nasty days...collecting movies had a certain excitement and skill to it..living on the edge.:funny:

Matt H.
12-10-2016, 11:22 AM
Not sure I see the difference, a citizen is being jailed for an absurd reason either way.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's insane what happened during the Video Nasties era, but there is a difference between offering the videos to the public in a store and owning a private collection.

fatboyslim142
12-10-2016, 01:01 PM
What would they have thought if they had caught him with that E.T. porn???

The mind boggles!!

Which E.T. porno? The Brazilian or German one?

sukebanboy
12-10-2016, 01:15 PM
Which E.T. porno? The Brazilian or German one?

Lol,,does it really matter which??? :-)

agent999
07-17-2017, 04:57 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40628909

Looks like this idiot government is trying to go ahead with this.

Keith H
07-17-2017, 07:04 AM
Told Ya So! And horror is going to be next.
I have friends in the so called "establishment" who in their own social network (parties, weddings, clubs etc) moot these ideas which eventually work their way down into law. Of course they have their own lifestyle with all sorts of unconventional sex acts going on, believe me I've met several porn performers (some well known) at these events. But their view is that the "plebs" could'nt handle it and need to be controlled.
Currently knife crime is at an all time high in the UK. One view I've heard is that its all these slasher/horror type pics that are the cause and should be controlled. You have been warned!

Fundi
07-22-2017, 12:04 AM
I miss those video nasty days...collecting movies had a certain excitement and skill to it..living on the edge.:funny:

why should someone have to risk jail just to watch a porn film or a horror film for that matter. I mean I do not want to live in a country that's going to put me in jail for watching Cannibal Holocaust.

Tom Clark
02-02-2019, 05:37 PM
THE UK AUTHORITIES FINALLY ACCEPT THAT KINKY SEX IS NOT OBSCENE (https://reprobatepress.com/2019/02/01/the-uk-authorities-finally-accept-that-kinky-sex-is-not-obscene/)