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Alex K.
08-23-2017, 12:14 AM
http://deadline.com/2017/08/the-joker-origin-movie-todd-phillips-martin-scorsese-scott-silver-batman-dc-universe-1202154053/

This I didn't see coming. Of course, you could argue that the 89 Batman was essentially the Joker movie. Still, a Joker movie tackling Killing Joke (since it's going to be an origin movie) might be good. So long as Philips and Scorsese can keep the meddling CEO's out of this then it has a chance of being good.

Oh, and no Jared Leto please. Put someone like Crispin Glover in there as the Joker. I don't care if the man is in his 50's he can still pass as someone in their 30's and he could really take that character to places never seen before.

Derrick King
08-23-2017, 01:11 AM
Don't have to worry about Leto:

most recently played by Jared Leto in the first Suicide Squad film. He will reprise in the Suicide Squad sequel and the Harley Quinn spinoff, but this new film will launch the character with a different actor, possibly younger.

Dom D
08-23-2017, 07:17 AM
I thought they announced this all the way back when they were hyping Leto's performance in Suicide Squad. And boy did they hype that. Rarely has so much been promised and so little delivered.

I'm sure this will be terrible and I'm equally sure I'll see it. I have a strange fascination with the DC movies. I just don't get how Warners are getting their arses handed to them so comprehensively by Marvel. They've got Batman and Superman and the Joker and Lex Luthor and Wonder Woman. Marvel's highest profile characters, the ones they actually had the rights to back in the beginning, were Hulk (who's a very tough character to make a film about) and Iron Man. I'm not sure many people knew who Iron Man was. And yet they've destroyed DC.

I think, and I may be overthinking it, the reason is that Marvel has approached this as if they're are making films (although it has devolved into soap opera) while DC approached the films as comic books. I don't think comic books and films work the same at all. The suspension of disbelief is set at a different bar. I remember saying before Batman Vs Superman that you can't put those two characters together and was shouted down that it had been done successfully in the comics. After watching the film I'm doubly convinced it can't be done. Tonally everything should be different in a Batman movie and a superman. But you don't have as many cues that feel wrong in a comic book when they're together. There is, for instance, no soundtrack to a comic book. The reader just provides so much more of the experience with their imagination than is possible in a film where it is all handed to you. You can't just gloss over the incongruities when you're watching something as opposed to when you are reading it.

And, yeah, to get this thing back on topic, I don't think a Joker movie can be done. Maybe it works as a comic book. On film a character like that has to be used a shock trooper. It's like in a sitcom where the funniest character is usually the one with the least screen time. Those type of characters don't bear examination so they have to get on, have a big impact and get off fast. The Joker can make a film when he turns up for 5 minutes of run time but give him a whole film to carry and he'll either disappear or become obnoxious.

Gary Banks
08-23-2017, 08:37 AM
Right now this is all in the jerking off stage. When they start filming this (and several others like The Batman, Gotham City Sirens etc) then I'll pay more attention.

Alex K.
08-23-2017, 04:47 PM
I think, and I may be overthinking it, the reason is that Marvel has approached this as if they're are making films (although it has devolved into soap opera) while DC approached the films as comic books. I don't think comic books and films work the same at all. The suspension of disbelief is set at a different bar. I remember saying before Batman Vs Superman that you can't put those two characters together and was shouted down that it had been done successfully in the comics. After watching the film I'm doubly convinced it can't be done. Tonally everything should be different in a Batman movie and a superman. But you don't have as many cues that feel wrong in a comic book when they're together. There is, for instance, no soundtrack to a comic book. The reader just provides so much more of the experience with their imagination than is possible in a film where it is all handed to you. You can't just gloss over the incongruities when you're watching something as opposed to when you are reading it.



I liked Batman V Superman. And I don't often enjoy superhero flicks. The exceptions have been: Guardians, Man of Steel, Wonder Woman, Logan, Days of Future Past, and Deadpool. Oh, and Dredd 3D.

Darcy Parker
08-24-2017, 10:15 PM
The reason DC movies are always train wrecks and Marvel’s movies do well is that Warner Brothers doesn’t respect the comics at all. They see the movies as lending the characters legitimacy, that comics are a lesser and embarrassing place to come from. That’s why they made things like Suicide Squad and Catwoman that totally fuck up the characters and their worlds.

Marvel sees the history from the comics as lending the movies legitimacy, and they stay truer to the characters and their origins that people have come to know and love over the years.

Until and unless the assholes at the top of WB stop looking down their noses at the comics they are making adaptations of, the DC movies are going to be crap.

Alex K.
09-21-2018, 05:32 PM
And Joaquin Phoenix is our Joker:

https://twitter.com/wbpictures/status/1043184618160021505

Good choice.

Alex K.
04-03-2019, 11:55 AM
https://twitter.com/jokermovie/status/1113425942574034945

Looks good.

agent999
04-03-2019, 01:44 PM
I'm not sure why, but that trailer made me think of Maniac 2: Mr. Robbie.

Matt H.
04-03-2019, 06:50 PM
What's it rated? It looks like an R, but you never know...

Darcy Parker
04-04-2019, 12:02 AM
The trailer really has a Scorsese vibe to it. I’m intrigued and actually considering seeing it in the theatre, which I genuinely haven’t said about a DC movie since Man of Steel, which I unfortunately didn’t get to see that way.

Toyboy
04-04-2019, 02:02 PM
I wish screenwriters would try to find a synonym for "freak". That pejorative seems to pop up in every superhero/comic book movie but that's true of the comics themselves as well.

I'll rent this one. Not sure why we need this story told (again...isn't the Gotham TV show covering the Joker origin right now?) but I've become a big fan of Phoenix ever since THE MASTER so he's the draw for me.

That marquee title for (the fake movie?) STRIP SEARCH seems to have been modeled after the FLESHPOT ON 42nd STREET poster. Too bad they didn't use WATER POWER like in the Batman: Year One comic.

Takuma
04-06-2019, 09:34 AM
This looks really interesting. Could be the first DC movie I see in cinema since Dark Knight Rises.

(as for Marvel, the last one I saw in cinema was Blade 2)

Toyboy
07-26-2019, 05:19 PM
This is going to get limited 70mm screenings.

agent999
10-04-2019, 12:47 PM
Enjoyed this, Phoenix was fucking great. Very heavily influenced by King of Comedy, Taxi Driver and Fight Club and has a few easter eggs referring directly to them (even to Batman '66). Not quite the masterpiece some are claiming, I felt the DC stuff was a little heavy handed: it could have been a better film if it had nothing to do with Batman and was just an original character study. However, getting the wider public into seeing something this dark by wrapping it up in comic book clothes is pretty subversive.

ChicGandil
10-05-2019, 04:38 PM
Enjoyed this, Phoenix was fucking great. Very heavily influenced by King of Comedy, Taxi Driver and Fight Club and has a few easter eggs referring directly to them (even to Batman '66). Not quite the masterpiece some are claiming, I felt the DC stuff was a little heavy handed: it could have been a better film if it had nothing to do with Batman and was just an original character study. However, getting the wider public into seeing something this dark by wrapping it up in comic book clothes is pretty subversive.

Pretty much agree with everything here only I kind of feel like it is a masterpiece. It always feels ridiculous to untether that word, but fuck - this was an actual thing.


I always felt like Scorsese did The King Of Comedy for those who misunderstood Taxi Driver. This movie plays like those two films directly crossed then filtered through the Joker iconography under the influence of the four Purge movies.

Moe than a little surprised by how dark and subversive this ended up being.


For me, this is ****/**** and among the best comic book movies ever made.

Alex K.
10-05-2019, 09:15 PM
Fucking amazing. So fucking amazing. I loved the fuck out of this. It is an actual masterpiece.

Tom Clark
10-08-2019, 08:01 PM
Media Horrified By Lack Of Violence At Joker Screenings (https://babylonbee.com/news/media-horrified-by-lack-of-violence-at-joker-screenings?fbclid=IwAR3WnF4DoX2f0lsGEL3l1CMtPKNY5h 7oDa5ZhnFnJdelNqqoGhZ11O65I3U)


“We found one incident of a guy cheering too loudly at the fictional violence,” said CNN reporter Terrance Shelton, “but that was it. There was nothing. Absolutely nothing we can glom onto and spin into a hot take that reinforces The Narrative. I’m shaken to my core.”

:haha:

Randy G
10-12-2019, 11:10 PM
For me Phoenix is the only real draw, Joker as Bickle would have been an interesting idea as a comic in the 80s, these days, not so much.

Nottage
10-16-2019, 06:36 AM
I was very hyped up for a Joker-centric movie and I wasn't disappointed. It wasn't perfect, but that's subjective anyway.

JoeS
10-16-2019, 09:04 PM
When Martin Scorsese's name got linked as a producer on this DC Comics spin-off movie, many people were flabbergasted. Scorsese? A Superhero flick?* In retrospect, once one sees the end result it makes a certain amount of sense. Much of JOKER plays like an alternate universe conglomeration of TAXI DRIVER and KING OF COMEDY (with healthy doses of MEAN STREETS and AFTER HOURS in the stew). Director and Co-Writer Todd Phillips and his partner Scott Silver cleverly weave in the origin story of the super-villain into this alternate reality.

Joaquin Phoenix plays Arthur Fleck, a sad sack with psychological issues. So, of course, he's working as a for hire clown who spreads his anti-joy to those unfortunate to witness his services. Fleck lives with his ailing mother Penny (Frances Conroy). Fleck has dreams of becoming a stand up comedian, and , after a particularly awkward trial set, he ends up as a guest on a late night talk show hosted by none other than -- Rupert Pupkin himself, Robert DeNiro (as Murray Franklin). Also lurking around Fleck's purvueis a certain rich millionaire Thomas Wayne (Brett Cullen) and his son, uh, Bruce (Dante Pereira-Olson).

At this point it must be stressed that JOKER's screenplay and direction use the form of the (highly) unreliable narrator in telling its tale. Sometimes, the deception is clear. At other times, not so much, to the point where one can't be certain. For the most part, it's a smart strategy. The movie succeeds in keeping the viewer off-balance even if one is fairly certain where its ultimately headed.

Phoenix has long been one of cinema's most quirky and unusual leading men. As if to prove his bona fides as an eccentric, he even once pulled a year long stunt where he 'quit' acting to become a full-time rapper. Here his unpredictability is keenly used to the movie's advantage. Phoenix contorts and bends his body, and curls his facial muscles almost as if it were against his will. It's a physical transformation so complete, that the Joker clown makeup is almost superfluous.

JOKER exerts it grungy attitude in an effective manner for the first two acts. It's a dark bleak vision where the DC origins are almost unnecessary. The streets are crime ridden and literally filled with piles of garbage. Other than the references to Gotham City and the Wayne family, it genuinely feels apart from the superhero machine. Unfortunately, Phillips and Silver have to not only shoe-horn in the comic book elements, but, in doing so they also become too confidant of their ability to give the movie false gravitas. Not content with paying homage to the Scorsese quartet, JOKER also weaves in DEATH WISH, and ultimately NETWORK (and not to the present movie's advantage). It feels force and Fleck/Joker's words begin to feel false and over-written (V FOR VENDETTA achieved similar conclusions much more smoothly and organically). The too on the nose song score also gets to be a bit much.

Despite the weak third act, JOKER is still a movie to be reckoned with. Missteps aside, it a jarring addition to mainstream blockbuster movie-making. Even if one isn't as seeped in the films of the 70s and early 80s** it's a daunting vision even it can't fully pull it off.



* In the end, it didn't happen, of course. The current 'official story' is that Scorsese was approached because the movie was to be set in NYC and it was thought his connections and production savvy could smooth the way for an easier shoot. He demurred in the end.

** Along with the titles mentioned, JOKER evokes such 70s crime films as THE TAKING OF PELHAM 1,2,3 and THE FRENCH CONNECTION. That's why it's a bit of surprise when it's revealed that it actually seems to take place in 1981 (references to the films WOLFEN and ZORRO THE GAY BLADE set the date).