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Ian Jane
04-29-2011, 12:59 PM
Nothing to say, really - I'm reviewing the disc for DVD Talk but figured I'd post some screen caps here cause, well, I can.

http://www.rockshockpop.com/screencaps/DeepRedBD/01-2.jpg (http://www.rockshockpop.com/screencaps/DeepRedBD/01-1.jpg)

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http://www.rockshockpop.com/screencaps/DeepRedBD/04-2.jpg (http://www.rockshockpop.com/screencaps/DeepRedBD/04-1.jpg)

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http://www.rockshockpop.com/screencaps/DeepRedBD/07-2.jpg (http://www.rockshockpop.com/screencaps/DeepRedBD/07-1.jpg)

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http://www.rockshockpop.com/screencaps/DeepRedBD/10-2.jpg (http://www.rockshockpop.com/screencaps/DeepRedBD/10-1.jpg)

http://www.rockshockpop.com/screencaps/DeepRedBD/11-2.jpg (http://www.rockshockpop.com/screencaps/DeepRedBD/11-1.jpg)

Dig it.

Mark Tolch
04-29-2011, 01:27 PM
Kay, get on to the stuff about the audio, the ending, the subtitles....any flaws? Subs appearing before the lines? Chopped audio? Freeze frame endings? The disc looks great, and it's one that i'll definitely pick up.

Ian Jane
04-29-2011, 01:52 PM
I haven't done anything except skim it yet, but I'll get to it.

Mark Tolch
04-29-2011, 06:31 PM
What about now?

Horace Cordier
04-29-2011, 09:41 PM
Lazy Ian.

Paul Casey
04-29-2011, 10:31 PM
Do a screenshot of the lizard for Mike and Todd.

Ian Jane
04-30-2011, 09:24 AM
Lazy Ian.

Learn how to do your own screencaps, learn how to post reviews in the first place and do more than one review every 3-4 weeks and then call me lazy.

Zing!

And Tolch, no, I didn't get to it last night but I will this weekend. There are a couple of other reviews up for it already and all signs point to awesome.

Mark Tolch
05-01-2011, 12:22 PM
Awesome, man, i look forward to checking it out. I'll for sure grab a copy of that.

Ian Jane
05-02-2011, 11:29 AM
Audio is good, transfer even better - complete end credits are there.

Mike T
05-02-2011, 12:12 PM
When I have a bit more spare cash, remind me buy this, Inferno and Daughters of Darkness. Blue Underground BDs are always good value. I don't need a million extras, with crappy cartoon intros, as I usually only ever watch bonus crap once and then that's it. The film is always the number one reason I buy anything, and usually sole repeat viewing value. ;)

Horace Cordier
05-02-2011, 06:43 PM
Kay, get on to the stuff about the audio, the ending, the subtitles....any flaws? Subs appearing before the lines? Chopped audio? Freeze frame endings? The disc looks great, and it's one that i'll definitely pick up.

Did you really expect Lustig to screw this one up?:tsk:

Unlike that problematical "other" company BU almost always get it right. Funnily enough the only transfers that I think don't look that great are Lustig's own films UNCLE SAM and MANIAC. Have not seen STENDHAL so cannot comment there but VIGILANTE at least looks fine.

This looks like the DEFINITIVE DEEP RED set and I cannot wait for it.

Ian Jane
05-02-2011, 07:44 PM
It's light on extras, that's really the only complaint I can levy. But like Mike says, it's the movie that matters, and it looks and sounds very good here.

Mark Tolch
05-02-2011, 07:53 PM
Street?

Ian Jane
05-02-2011, 08:29 PM
5/17, currently $14.99 at Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Deep-Red-Blu-ray-David-Hemmings/dp/B004KDYR1G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1304382516&sr=8-1). Can't argue with that price.

Goldberg
05-03-2011, 02:41 AM
Cum next DDD sale I'm there...Actually, our dollar is so strong, i get 10% discount on top of the other discounts...!

Mike Howlett
05-03-2011, 04:49 PM
Do a screenshot of the lizard for Mike and Todd.

Hahahahaha!! Oh that's so funny!!!

Asshole.

Just joshin', PC. I know exactly when to look away from said skewered Jeweled Lacerta. (I saw it briefly before I could look away the first time and it's seared into my head so badly that I could ID the species.)

Mike T
05-04-2011, 01:51 AM
Just joshin', PC. I know exactly when to look away from said skewered Jeweled Lacerta. (I saw it briefly before I could look away the first time and it's seared into my head so badly that I could ID the species.)

And yet, after years of being censored under the Animal Cruelty Act in the UK Arrow Video managed to get the scene past the BBFC with a (spurious) notation from Argento that the scene was just a clever special effect. Which, TBH, I think is a perfect lie. It seems pretty clear to me that the lizard was impaled, just by its flailing and the way the pin doesn't bend. Never been a fan of that scene -- though it makes a point about the cruelty of the child, it was unnecessary and could have been as easily achieved with a dummy cat or bird with soemthing nasty done to it.

Ian Jane
05-04-2011, 09:51 AM
Animal cruelty should always be faked, in my opinion, but what's done is done. I don't enjoy scenes like that or those in the various cannibal or mondo films that I own and appreciate, but I'm not the type to skip them or want to watch a cut version. That said, I completely understand why others might want a version that didn't include those scenes as I totally understand why you wouldn't want to watch them.

Mike T
05-04-2011, 11:05 AM
Animal cruelty should always be faked, in my opinion, but what's done is done.

Indeed. But my point was, even though it seems highly apparent the little lizard was messed up for real, Arrow managed to sneak it past the BBFC for their release with the misnomer that it was faked. I don't see any obvious little band or collar around its neck, or item on the ground fixing it in place, that says: yeah, we didn't really do this.

Otherwise, as you said: what's done is done. Can't go back and change the way any of these films were made now, thirty plus years on. We all know I'm a great fan of the Italian cannibal films, so obviously it's not a huge issue to me. I'm just a latter day tree hugger who thinks life is precious, whether you're an ant or a giant.

Ian Jane
05-04-2011, 11:11 AM
I'm with you on that last point.

As far as Arrow getting it through uncut, if they're caught in the lie I'd imagine that would be bad for them and there would be some issues with the BBFC to deal with in that regard. If not, well, the BBFC are a bunch of antiquated ninnies anyway, and cutting something like Deep Red seems silly to me.

Mike Howlett
05-06-2011, 08:34 AM
I'll not be looking at the scene close enough (at all, actually) to determine if there are SPFX involved.

That scene aside, I love the film and I can't wait to grab the BD! The screenshots look great!

Horace Cordier
05-06-2011, 09:41 AM
Otherwise, as you said: what's done is done. Can't go back and change the way any of these films were made now, thirty plus years on. We all know I'm a great fan of the Italian cannibal films, so obviously it's not a huge issue to me. I'm just a latter day tree hugger who thinks life is precious, whether you're an ant or a giant.

Thanks for that Mike and Ian.

As someone who recently spent an unfortunate amount of time debating this issue elsewhere (and it was often both mildly infuriating and exhausting) I wish I could have put it this succinctly. Nice work.

Mark Tolch
05-06-2011, 10:26 AM
I don't even remember that scene from the film, but I haven't watched it in awhile.

Mike T
05-09-2011, 06:28 AM
As someone who recently spent an unfortunate amount of time debating this issue elsewhere (and it was often both mildly infuriating and exhausting) I wish I could have put it this succinctly. Nice work.

The main thing, that's never brought to the table or the discussion (particularly when it comes to the Italian cannibal films), is the context of the era they were made in and what their virtual sole purpose was in their construction. This comes about because a lot of people who debate (well, belligerently argue, to be honest) the topic either weren't born of or grew up in the era and have no reference point other than the present and their own beliefs systems. Plus, a LOT of these people would go a LONG way if they did some BASIC research, instead of barrelling in and picking fights based on contemporary populist views unprepared and unarmed with the benefit of knowledge.

The cannibal films, as someone who grew up in the era and remembers the advertising that went with them, were wholly and solely exploitation spectacle of the old-school travelling sideshow variety. It was all about "Good lord! Who can believe these strange customs and shocking acts still occur in the civilised world? Such are the daily lives of those who live in THE THIRD WORLD not far removed from the stone age". And that was it: simple as that - it was all hoopla and showmanship and exposing the "primitive" nature of the developing countries. Mere carny showmanship designed to show we in the civilised world were "superior" to the "savages" in the backwaters of the "third world" and their centuries old customs and rituals (which more often than not included treatment of animals that "civilised" folk would find abhorrent).

Back in the seventies, as run-on from the sixties and the Mondo Cane set, so-called "adventurers" and "global explorers" would run roadshow screenings of their own adventures in those countries -- my Dad took us to many that played townhalls and civic centres, as they ran outside of mainstream cinema distribution, and the content of those documentaries wasn't far removed from the "mondo" films. Screenings often played without censorship classifications, as they were roadshow screenings by those that had filmed them, but there was always notation in advertising and before the screening that some material within might be unsuitable for children or those of a "nervous disposition". The cannibal films simply added a fictional storyline (often attributed as "based on a true story", whether they were or not, to further the sideshow element) between their parade of third world atrocities.

In essence, and though we might detest facets of these things in hindsight (based solely on modern preconceptions), you can't apply a contemporary mindset to films made thirty and forty years ago if you aren't prepared to do even basic groundwork as to why these films existed, or the era that produced them as well as the prejudices and judgemental attitudes of developed nations against their less developed cousins. Even today, those same prejudices exist based solely on lack of knowledge and understanding. My wife comes from the developing island of Borneo and still we find that people have difficulties comprehending that there are international airports, five star hotels and bustling retail hubs there...let alone running water, electricity or housing that isn't made from leftovers and timber found in the rainforests.

Mike T
05-09-2011, 06:31 AM
I don't even remember that scene from the film, but I haven't watched it in awhile.

It's literally a "blink and you'll miss it" moment, Mark. But people these days seem to get strung out on its momentary presence against the film as a whole. And that, I think personally, speaks volumes as to the mindsets of a good portion of online genre communities these days -- willing to dwell on trivialities and insignificances over looking at the bigger picture. It's all a lot of wank, really...

Mark Tolch
05-09-2011, 08:58 AM
Well, i have myself a review copy of this title.....and I'll make sure that I drag it out for all it's worth in the upcoming review. :D

Ian Jane
05-09-2011, 09:14 AM
Mike you make some interesting points in regards to the marketing of the films when they originally hit theaters. I think as horrible in many ways as it all is, it's quite fascinating. Not sure what it says about the human race is positive, but it's still interesting.

Mike T
05-09-2011, 10:31 AM
Not sure what it says about the human race is positive, but it's still interesting.

Indeed...but hey, that was the era they were borne of. And what you said still holds true: what's done is done. But y'know, and without wanting to be political as that's not my intent, I was watching the TV news last night and saw all this newly released footage of the dead terrorist guy. There's still a little of that "Ooh, look at the savages in the developing world" hoopla left in first world media yet. ;)

Ian Jane
05-09-2011, 12:22 PM
There definitely is and to a large degree I understand it. Everyone has a bit of morbid curiosity about them some times. I think it's part of human nature - maybe not a good part, but a part never the less.

Mike T
05-09-2011, 12:53 PM
Everyone has a bit of morbid curiosity about them some times. I think it's part of human nature - maybe not a good part, but a part never the less.

When you turn back the clock to the seventies, those town hall and civic centre shows used to sell out -- but there was no internet back then, and people weren't as inclined to travel as much as they do today either. I've been through Singapore (developed country), and back and forth from Malaysia/Borneo (so-called "developing" countries) half a dozen times or more in the last six or seven years.

If you compare that against my parents, Mum went to Singapore once in the sixties and Dad's never been outside of Australia. Curiosity definitely played a large factor for those generations -- as they were less inclined to jump on a plane and check out the world as the current Gen X and Y generations are. These days it's "Why watch the Discovery Channel, when you can actually go there and see it for yourself?" ;)

Mark Tolch
05-11-2011, 08:54 PM
Okay, in case you didn't know, i'm reviewing this title for RSP, and had a chance to crack open the disc and check things out this evening. Though my "analysis" is far from complete, what i can tell you is that i've checked out some of the flaws that were mentioned in reputable reviews of Arrow's disc, and here's what's what:

1. The severe pixel noise that occurs at 45:27 or whatever of the Arrow blu-ray does not exist on the Blue Underground disc
2. The subs on the Blue Underground disc are not ahead of the audio as some have reported on the Arrow disc
3. The visual issues that were later identified as a reflection from the camera lens are present here, but not a flaw in the mastering
4. When watching Profondo Rosso with the English track, and no subtitles chosen, English subs automatically pop up for the parts that weren't dubbed in English, a problem that was reported with the Arrow disc.
5. There is a slight change, though very noticeable, in the picture when the "extended" undubbed footage kicks in. I dont' know what that means, exactly, but it's there.
6. the film looks stunning. Fans of the Goblin score will really dig this Italian 7.1 track (even though i'm not set up for 7.1 at my new place), even though the music snob in me says that the bass is compressed slightly.
7. There are some instances of print damage and a little bit of dirt, but nothing to detract from enjoying it. and there definitely wasn't an overuse of DNR. Grain enthusiasts will love this shit. :D

Goldberg
05-12-2011, 05:30 AM
This is one instance where I'll support American economy over UK economy. But I pre-ordered the Arrow of Tenebre coz who knows when BU will release it!

Mark Tolch
05-12-2011, 06:39 AM
Not that much of a fan of Argento outside of Deep Red...but they did say "who knows when BU will release Deep Red" and some people were speculating 2012...

Mike T
05-12-2011, 06:40 AM
So, the big question remains...where should we put a thread on Blue Underground's Blu-rays, as I think they deserve a topic all of their own? :dunno:

Ian Jane
05-12-2011, 08:48 AM
The exploitation forum would be fine. It if delves into Euro releases or anything off topic, I think we'll all manage.

Derrick King
01-17-2018, 12:16 PM
Freak-O-Rama has shot a bunch of new DEEP RED featurettes. (https://www.freakorama.org/2018) Since Arrow has already re-released DEEP RED, I doubt that these are for them. And since they are titled in English, I would guess they are for a Blue Underground re-release.

Derrick King
01-26-2018, 10:18 AM
Looks like Arrow is releasing this in the US on April 10th (http://mvdb2b.com/s/DeepRedLimitedEdition/AV140). So who knows who those new special features Freak-O-Rama are for.

Ian Jane
01-26-2018, 11:28 AM
Full specs and cover art:

NEW US / CANADA TITLE: Deep Red (Limited Edition Blu-ray)

From Dario Argento comes Deep Red – the ultimate giallo movie.

Pre-order in the US via DiabolikDVD: http://bit.ly/2DEpPhN

Release date: 10th April 2018

From Dario Argento, maestro of the macabre and the man behind some of the greatest excursions in Italian horror (Suspiria, The Bird with the Crystal Plumage), comes Deep Red – the ultimate giallo movie.

One night, musician Marcus Daly (David Hemmings, Blow Up), looking up from the street below, witnesses the brutal axe murder of a woman in her apartment. Racing to the scene, Marcus just manages to miss the perpetrator… or does he? As he takes on the role of amateur sleuth, Marcus finds himself ensnared in a bizarre web of murder and mystery where nothing is what it seems…

Aided by a throbbing score from regular Argento collaborators Goblin, Deep Red (aka Profondo Rosso and The Hatchet Murders) is a hallucinatory fever dream of a giallo punctuated by some of the most astonishing set-pieces the sub-genre has to offer.

2-DISC LIMITED EDITION CONTENTS:

• High Definition Blu-ray (1080p) presentation of two versions of the film
• Original Italian soundtrack in lossless DTS-HD MA mono 1.0
• Optional surround sound remix of the Italian soundtrack in lossless DTS-HD MA 5.1
• Original English soundtrack in lossless DTS-HA MA mono 1.0*
• English subtitles for the Italian soundtrack
• Optional English subtitles for the deaf and hard of hearing for the English soundtrack
• 6 postcard-sized lobby card reproductions
• Reversible fold-out poster featuring two original artworks
• Reversible sleeve featuring original and newly commissioned artwork by Gilles Vranckx
• Limited Edition booklet featuring new writing on the film by Mikel J. Koven, author of La Dolce Morte: Vernacular Cinema and the Italian Giallo Film, and an archival essay by Alan Jones, illustrated with original archive stills

DEEP RED: ORIGINAL VERSION (BLU-RAY DISC 1):

• Brand new restoration from a 4K scan of the original negative
• Audio commentary by filmmaker and Argento expert Thomas Rostock
• Introduction to the film by Claudio Simonetti of Goblin
• Profondo Giallo, a new visual essay by Michael Mackenzie featuring an in-depth appreciation of Deep Red, its themes and its legacy
• Rosso Recollections: Dario Argento’s Deep Genius – the Deep Red director on the creation of a giallo masterpiece
• The Lady in Red: Daria Nicolodi Remembers Profondo Rosso
• Music to Murder For! Claudio Simonetti on Deep Red
• Profondo Rosso: From Celluloid to Shop – a tour of the Profondo Rosso shop in Rome with long time Argento collaborator Luigi Cozzi
• Italian theatrical trailer

DEEP RED: EXPORT VERSION (BLU-RAY DISC 2) [LIMITED EDITION EXCLUSIVE]:

• Brand new restoration from a 4K scan of the original negative
• US theatrical trailer

* The English audio track on the original, longer cut has some portions of English audio missing. English audio for these sections was either never recorded or has been lost. As such, these sequences are presented with Italian audio, subtitled in English.

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