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Ian Jane
08-03-2011, 09:57 AM
So not to take the 'what you have watched' thread too off topic, I figured it's time for a seperate thread to debate a topic that rubs a lot of people the wrong way - porn and it's place in home video or cinema in general. Mike had mentioned he's not interested in it these days, for reasons stated clearly and perfectly understandably.

My take on it is that porn is just like any other genre, there's plenty of good and far more bad. My interests lie in the 70s stuff, the 'golden age' so to speak, as there tends to be a lot more talent on display in terms of camerawork and storytelling but that's not to say that there isn't good modern stuff still being made. Axel Braun's parodies are generally very good (and far more creative and fun than most of the XXX parodies that are being churned out seemingly on a daily basis) and Paul Thomas still makes interesting movies. Gonzo is gonzo is gonzo so it serves its purpose as nothing more than masturbation fodder (let's be blunt, that's what it's for) but even within the confines of that you can still find some interesting ideas and set pieces if you want to drudge through a lot of crap to find them (which I have to do in some writing I do for another site).

Maybe I'm too accepting of some of the content that others are put off by, but if there weren't a kid in the house I'd have the smut on the shelves next to the horror movies and exploitation movies and action movies and sci-fi movies and comedies and documentaries that are already there. To me, it's all just 'movies.'

Mike T
08-03-2011, 10:16 AM
So not to take the 'what you have watched' thread too off topic, I figured it's time for a seperate thread...

Ouch! Sorry captain, won't let it happen again! Well, at least as much as I can help anyway... ;)

I'll actually come back to this as it deserves a fuller answer than the brief one I've already given. But these days I'm more of a "real movie with porn bits in it" kind of person, ala Emanuelle in America, Caligula, In the Realm of the Senses etc etc.

But I digress... :wtf:

Ian Jane
08-03-2011, 10:22 AM
Ouch! Sorry captain, won't let it happen again! Well, at least as much as I can help anyway... ;)

No apology necessary at all, it was all in the flow of conversation - I thought it was an interesting enough topic that I didn't want to see it get buried in the larger (broader) thread.

Paul Casey
08-03-2011, 10:43 AM
I'm not into the mingling of my viewing enjoyment and my pulling enjoyment. I like my porn as scene by scene. If there's some acting and comedy involved, that's cool. It's probably because I grew up on tape comps.
Though, I enjoy the Taboo American Style series.

Barry M
08-03-2011, 10:52 AM
I like filmy porn, with story and narrative headgames. Actually, I really like it in print, long pages of text, preferably without pictures. Olympia/Grove Press fan.

Hiding your porn is half the fun. I'd like to build a secret sliding panel cabinet, if I had carpentry skills. And wood.

Ian Jane
08-03-2011, 10:55 AM
Secret panels are always a good option.

Todd Jordan
08-03-2011, 11:00 AM
If it's not blatantly obvious as porn I put it up on my shelves. Stuff like the Carter Stevens sets, the porn trailer comps, a lot of the Video-X-Pix stuff. So long as there's no hard core picture on the spine or the titles aren't cause for alarm like "Stuffed Muffs and Plugged Pussies", I shelve it rather than hide it. I really don't have much hidden. My tastes lean towards the late 70s to mid-80s, and I love when they actually make an effort to create more than marathon scrogging and nothing else. If I want that, I have it too, but I will usually just view those in three to five minute (if that) segments.

Having no kids makes it easier. Having a wife who doesn't approve of porn puts a damper on things. If she went and actually looked at what was on my shelves she'd be asking questions, to which my only answer would be to stifle her. One time she asked what :bp: was, so I told her, hoping she'd want to watch it. She didn't.

Todd Jordan
08-03-2011, 11:02 AM
I'd like a hidden room. With a tunnel that goes to the woods.

Paul Casey
08-03-2011, 11:29 AM
And wood.

That's what the porn's for.

Toyboy
08-03-2011, 11:52 AM
Gonzo is gonzo is gonzo so it serves its purpose as nothing more than masturbation fodder (let's be blunt, that's what it's for)


To me, it's all just 'movies.'

I personally think they're two different animals - for me something like a Something Weird Bucky Beaver DVD serves an entirely different purpose than a volume of ASS PARADE. A CD by Pink Floyd is not the same as a language learning CD just because they're both sound recordings issued on the same format.

The XXX stuff that I leave out for guests to see are ones that I put in the "movie" category. WATER POWER, MONA, BAT PUSSY, etc... Mainly stuff from the 70's that has a plot and acting. I don't use those DVD's, I sit down and watch them. I still maintain that it's physically impossible for someone to be aroused by BAT PUSSY anyway.

The stuff that I hide is the "porno" and I look at that in the same way I do fitness DVDs - they're interactive "motivation" tools.

Ian Jane
08-03-2011, 11:55 AM
So basically, in the Toyboy household, feature based and vintage stuff is lumped in with the cult movies and modern 'all sex' or 'gonzo' releases are secretly stashed? I figure that's probably gonna be a common answer here. I tend to leave After Hours and VXP stuff just sort of laying around all the time without much concern or though (because I am dumb), though the 'all sex' stuff gets a little better hidden (again, kid in the house).

Toyboy
08-03-2011, 11:56 AM
It's funny though - the guy we have finishing our basement right now was freaked out by my Something Weird shelf. He pulled my wife aside and said "You know that's all porn, right?"

Barry M
08-03-2011, 11:58 AM
Are you getting secret panels? Cool.

Ian Jane
08-03-2011, 12:00 PM
It's funny though - the guy we have finishing our basement right now was freaked out by my Something Weird shelf. He pulled my wife aside and said "You know that's all porn, right?"

Shouldn't that guy mind his own business?

Toyboy
08-03-2011, 12:00 PM
So basically, in the Toyboy household, feature based and vintage stuff is lumped in with the cult movies and modern 'all sex' or 'gonzo' releases are secretly stashed?

Part of the appeal of porno, for me, is the taboo aspect of it. It needs to be sort of a shameful secret otherwise it loses something.

Ian Jane
08-03-2011, 12:19 PM
I'm not sure I share that view, but I can appreciate the sentiment behind it. There's something fun and exciting about seeing stuff you're not supposed to see. I think that's ingrained in us as kids and that a lot of times we carry that into adulthood. At some point a few years ago though I stopped caring about the porn stigma. Maybe it had to do with realizing my parents have porn too and so they can't really judge me for it, even if I have an infinite amount more than they do and mine is way weirder.

Paul L
08-03-2011, 12:23 PM
I'd like a hidden room. With a tunnel that goes to the woods.
I've got a secret room in my manor house, with a gorilla in it, in honour of SEVEN DEATHS IN THE CAT'S EYE.

Seriously, I keep 'sensitive' material with my regular DVDs, either in a couple of lockable metal cabinets where I also keep my rare OOP DVDs or in the cupboard I've got in the bedroom that houses most of my horror and exploitation movies. Thus it's away from the eyes of the little people (kids, I mean, not dwarves). With regards house guests, I couldn't give a rat's bottom whether they see them or not: with guests to my home, I'll quite happily discuss the relative merits of PORNO HOLOCAUST or my WIP collection until the cows come home. It's my house: if they don't like what's in it, that's their problem ;)

Toyboy
08-03-2011, 12:24 PM
Working with guys in their early 20's is eye-opening. Porn's nothing to them. With the internet they basically grew up with a mini-porn booth in their house.

Barry M
08-03-2011, 12:29 PM
I think porn should be hidden, for the children's sake.

If it's just out in the open, they lose the thrill of the hunt, plus the secret shamefulness.

Ian Jane
08-03-2011, 12:30 PM
Working with guys in their early 20's is eye-opening. Porn's nothing to them. With the internet they basically grew up with a mini-porn booth in their house.

I've noticed that too. I'm the old man at work, and most of my coworkers, male and female, have a much more open mind to smut than I did around the same age. I also blame the internet but part of it could also be that porn, while still hardly mainstream, is not only easier to get than ever before but also seemingly at least a bit more accepted than it was 15 years ago.

Paul, I think you and I are on the same page.

Paul Casey
08-03-2011, 12:37 PM
Working with guys in their early 20's is eye-opening. Porn's nothing to them. With the internet they basically grew up with a mini-porn boot
h in their house.

I remember going to the porn store after school on my 18th birthday. Had the current state of the internet been available to me as a youth, I would've saved a lot of money.

Paul Casey
08-03-2011, 12:40 PM
I've noticed that too. I'm the old man at work, and most of my coworkers, male and female, have a much more open mind to smut than I did around the same age. I also blame the internet but part of it could also be that porn, while still hardly mainstream, is not only easier to get than ever before but also seemingly at least a bit more accepted than it was 15 years ago.

True. Porn stars are well known and even attention whores have "stolen" sex tapes that are big sellers. Are they looked down upon by their peers (the dildos funding the celebcentricity of the world)? Nope. Back in the day, they'd be ashamed that their bedroom business was public. It's a different place these days.
I'm all for it. It's 2011, people fuck and people like to watch it.

Alison Jane
08-03-2011, 01:15 PM
What's porn?

Paul L
08-03-2011, 06:10 PM
If it's just out in the open, they lose the thrill of the hunt, plus the secret shamefulness.
I was talking about this with someone the other day, but when I was a lad there was always a bag of smut in the local woods, which we usually stumbled upon whilst conducting our school cross-country run, or else there would be a paper bag filled with magazines tucked behind a bench at the local park. I guess that when people were moving house or whatnot, the sole way of disposing of that kind of material in a non-embarrassing way was by dumping it in such a location.

Was this just a UK thing or did it happen elsewhere? I guess that with the rise of the Internet, the woodland cache of porn has died a death - everything's digital nowadays.

Toyboy
08-03-2011, 06:47 PM
Creek porn. That's what we had. American creeks are where skin mags go to die.

Ian Jane
08-03-2011, 08:21 PM
I had forest porn. No creek nearby, but there was always porn in the woods. I took a bunch of them back to my house once and hid them under my bed and then found out there were spiders inside and had to throw them away because I am scared of spiders.

Todd Jordan
08-03-2011, 10:20 PM
Forest porn for me too. But only once. I had a treasure trove of porn in boxes down in the basement so didn't need hope to stumble upon some.

Mike T
08-04-2011, 10:15 AM
Was this just a UK thing or did it happen elsewhere? I guess that with the rise of the Internet, the woodland cache of porn has died a death - everything's digital nowadays.

Nope, not just a UK phenomenon! There were always massive stashes of porn mags all wrapped up in plastic bags to be found in scrub and bushland surrounding schools and new housing estates and so on down here in my primary school years. Any time I'd catch up with school friends and we went bushwalking or general bush-trekking we'd always stumble across big bags full of porn...which we promptly loaded up on and smuggled home in our schoolbags. :biggrin:

Mike T
08-04-2011, 10:17 AM
I personally think they're two different animals - for me something like a Something Weird Bucky Beaver DVD serves an entirely different purpose than a volume of ASS PARADE. A CD by Pink Floyd is not the same as a language learning CD just because they're both sound recordings issued on the same format.

I was going to come back to this thread and throw some ideas out there, but...Matt's above observation is exactly what I was going to say, albeit shorter and more concisely.