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Alex K.
04-02-2012, 11:26 PM
Name sequels the you like and are at times better than the original or another film in the franchise that gets all the attention. Feel free to bash sequels you feel are overrated.

For me: I prefer Halloween 2 over the original. The original will always be a classic that has been infinitely ripped off but I think the sequel is just a better Slasher picture. Great use of a hospital location, gorier and more effective (IMHO) kills, and I think it was more tense. The scene where Curtis is crawling away from Myers and just barely gets inside the elevator always gets to me a little. Also, I like the opening credits more with the pumpkin splitting open revealing a skull.

Also Halloween 3 but that's getting a lot more recognition these days.

Another one: Godfather 3. I don't like Part 2. I thought Part 2 was too slow and not as interesting as part 3. I prefer part 3... aside from Sofia Coppola but I like the idea of Michael Corleone trying to reform and dealing with Catholic bank and the montage of killings in the 3rd act are very effective. Plus I liked Andy Garcia and thought he was great. Just Sofia Coppola and a semi-confusing plot hurt it.

Alien 3 (assembly cut) and Predator 2 are amazing films and I've written about them WAY too much over the years. Alien 3 is the perfect closure to the saga and Predator 2 is fun as hell.

Randy G
04-03-2012, 05:10 AM
Can't say I agree with any of your opinions so far but a great idea for a thread.

Aliens I found nowhere near as good as Alien. It's a decent 80s action flick but the ending is terrible and it lacks what I like so much in the first: great set-design and sense of atmosphere and a great cast. The first Alien is a flawed picture for me (the killings become predictable and goofy) but far outclasses the sequel.

Terminator II, I don't think this has the rep is once did, but I find young Edward Furlong (who to be fair did good work later), the attempt to make the Terminator human and sympathetic and the terrible dialogue renders this one almost unwatchable for me. Again, it lacks what made the first film so great: a stark no-nonsense storyline and atmospheric cinematography on a low-budget.

Robin Bougie
04-03-2012, 05:54 AM
Don't agree with any of the pics so far being better than the originals, although aside for Godfather 3, they are all very good sequels.

It's not so common in North America, but in Asia it's not so strange for the sequels to be better than the first instalment:

Big Brother Cheng (HK 1975. Shaw Bros. Sequel to "The Teahouse")
Fong Sai Yuk 2 (HK 1993)
Drunken Master 2 (HK 1994)
In The Line of Duty 4 (1989 HK. Donnie Yen kicking all kinds of ass)
Swordsman 2 (HK 1993)
Once Upon a Time in China 2 (HK 1992)
And how about all those Godzilla sequels? I much prefer the run of Godzilla movies in the late 90s to the ones that came before. Better FX, better stories, all the same awesome model cities getting thrashed.
....and both:
Female Convict Scorpion: Beast Stable (1973 Dir: Shunya Ito)
and
Female Convict Scorpion: Jailhouse 41 (1972 Dir: Shunya Ito)
are better than the first movie.

For North America, I'd say Return of the King (the second one) is better than the first Lord Of The Rings movie. Although I guess that is technically a New Zealand movie.

I'd also say that The Kiss of Her Flesh (1968. the third one) is the best of the Findlay's Flesh trilogy.

Robin Bougie
04-03-2012, 05:56 AM
And I agree that T2 is one of the most overrated sequels of all time, Randy.

Ian Jane
04-03-2012, 09:44 AM
I'm with Robin on the Flesh movies and the Female Convict Scorpion movies.

I think I prefer the 2nd Lone Wolf and Cub film to the first - just a bit more action in it, though it's hard to not see them as part of the same movie really.

Same with Kill Bill - I like the 2nd part better than the first but again, they're the same movie so I don't know if they really count or not.

I think Friday the 13th Part IV is a lot better than the three movies that came before it.

Paul Casey
04-03-2012, 12:23 PM
Aliens I found nowhere near as good as Alien. It's a decent 80s action flick but the ending is terrible and it lacks what I like so much in the first: great set-design and sense of atmosphere and a great cast. The first Alien is a flawed picture for me (the killings become predictable and goofy) but far outclasses the sequel.

It blows my mind that people like Aliens more than Alien.

Underrated - Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey
Hellraiser 2

Probably more, but I'm hungry.

Ian Jane
04-03-2012, 01:19 PM
Hellraiser 2

Probably more, but I'm hungry.

Good call, Hellbound is awesome, as good as the original.

Time for leftover meatloaf!

Troville
04-03-2012, 05:36 PM
It blows my mind that people like Aliens more than Alien.

I'm always in the minority on this one, but it blows my mind that people prefer Alien to Aliens. The sequel is an entertaining big-budget action romp that ranks up there with The Road Warrior and Terminator 2 (which I just realized are both sequels). I've never found Alien to be particularly effective or suspenseful.

Anyway, I'd say that Demons 2 is pretty fucking awesome, mostly because it follows the exact same formula as Demons but with new wave and post-punk songs rather than a cheesy hair metal soundtrack.

Alex K.
04-03-2012, 06:37 PM
Demons 2? Really? There wasn't even that much New Wave Post-Punk music in it. Plus Demons had White Wedding playing during coke-snorting. And because of that it's clearly superior.

Troville
04-03-2012, 06:53 PM
Demons 2? Really? There wasn't even that much New Wave Post-Punk music in it. Plus Demons had White Wedding playing during coke-snorting. And because of that it's clearly superior.

Read again. I never said it was superior. I said it was "pretty fucking awesome," which it is.

Alex K.
04-03-2012, 08:21 PM
I would still disagree.

Alex K.
04-04-2012, 12:47 AM
Deathstalker 2 is a flick that's way better than the other films in the series. One of the few Jim Wrynorski flicks I enjoy.

Robin Bougie
04-04-2012, 01:45 AM
Oh, good call on that. DEATHSTALKER 2 is great!

Newt Cox
04-04-2012, 02:21 AM
And I agree that T2 is one of the most overrated sequels of all time, Randy.

I have hated T2 since I saw it opening night.

Alex K.
04-04-2012, 02:23 AM
I think Friday the 13th Part IV is a lot better than the three movies that came before it.

I think that's a given. Part 7 is pretty bad but for some reason I enjoy parts 8 and 9 quite a bit, but I also hate Jason X... I'm weird.

Robert W
04-04-2012, 07:20 PM
I thought there were several films in the Lone Wolf and Cub, Zatoichi, and Sleepy Eyes of Death series that were as good as the originals. Of course Kenji Misumi directed them all. :)

I also thought the fourth Blind Dead Film, Night of the Sea Gulls, was at least as good as the original, and certainly better than 2 and 3.

Robin Bougie
04-05-2012, 08:54 AM
For overrated sequels, I'm gonna say:

SILENCE OF THE LAMBS

Not a bad movie or anything, but I prefer MANHUNTER, and I think it's often overlooked and has really been lost in the wake of LAMBS.

The Silly Swede
04-05-2012, 10:16 AM
Im with Robin 100% there. Manhunter is a god damn masterpiece while Silence is just a solid thriller.

Ian Jane
04-05-2012, 10:23 AM
In a lot of ways I think A Better Tomorrow II is better than the first one.

Paul L
03-15-2019, 09:57 PM
Deathstalker 2 is a flick that's way better than the other films in the series. One of the few Jim Wrynorski flicks I enjoy.

Watching this again via the newly released German BD, I have to agree. Massively entertaining film.

Dom D
03-15-2019, 10:20 PM
Trying to think, chronologically speaking which were the first sequels reputed to be better than the original? Bride Of Frankenstien would be the first I think? Don't see it myself. The original stands out from the other Universal monster movies with a serious amount of heart. It's the one where the monster is a relatable, sympathetic character BEFORE its inevitable death. Brides hair not withstanding I thinks it's a better film on all fronts.

After that, for mainstream sequels that the critics embraced as masterpieces, that were better than the original, do you have to jump forward all the way to The Godfather Part 2? Again I don't see it. I didn't have any interest in the prequel bits with Deniro and I felt Pacino's tale was already told. There was a lack of new information that surprised. It was just inevitable.

As for a sequel that is actually better than the original but not thought to be so... Seven Women For Satan! I understand I'm this films biggest fan, and The Most Dangerous Game definitely has it admirers, but this film just has so many great lines and moments. It was the first film I ever showed my girlfriend and to this day - 13 years later- neither of us can offer the other a glass of bubbly without following the offer with "or would you prefer that I pour it over your body and sup it from you as if your substance were of crystal?" Which, frankly, sounds sticky and unpleasant. The films one flaw was that they cut to the next scene there and we don't get to hear her response...

The Silly Swede
03-16-2019, 05:19 PM
I have decided to let the shit hit the fan tonight:

I prefer Predator 2 over the first one.

and less shocking:

I also prefer No Retreat, No Surrender 2 to the first. (Though all of them are damn fine! )

Halloween 3 is my favourite in the series, which may shock some of you.

Alex K.
03-16-2019, 05:21 PM
What a thread bump. For a while I liked Predator 2 more than the first. But I was nine at the time so that was my excuse...

I've gushed over Halloween 3 enough times on the board but I really love Escape From LA more than Escape From NY.

Psycho 2 is another one. Maybe not better than the first but damn close.

Paul L
03-16-2019, 05:31 PM
I'm absolutely on board with the love for HALLOWEEN III.

EMPIRE STRIKES BACK is an obvious one, imo.

STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN.

X-MEN 2.

And this one might be controversial: NEW NIGHTMARE.

Dom D
03-17-2019, 08:26 AM
And this one might be controversial: NEW NIGHTMARE.

The Elm Street films defy genre sequel conventions. 1 is the best concept that was ever concepted for a horror movie but has very standard execution. 2 is so bizarre, I love it. Dream Warriors is wonderful trash. And then New Nightmare shows the way towards horrible self aware, breaking the 4th wall horror. I recall enjoying it a lot.

Reminds me that the Corey Feldman Friday the 13th was easily the best.

The Silly Swede
03-17-2019, 08:43 AM
I'm absolutely on board with the love for HALLOWEEN III.

EMPIRE STRIKES BACK is an obvious one, imo.

STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN.

NEW NIGHTMARE.

Agree with all of these actually.

Alex K.
03-17-2019, 08:45 AM
The Elm Street films defy genre sequel conventions. 1 is the best concept that was ever concepted for a horror movie but has very standard execution. 2 is so bizarre, I love it. Dream Warriors is wonderful trash. And then New Nightmare shows the way towards horrible self aware, breaking the 4th wall horror. I recall enjoying it a lot.

Reminds me that the Corey Feldman Friday the 13th was easily the best.


Pretty much agreed even though I wouldn't call part 3 "trash" per-se. I'm tempted to say "mainstream" but it's not really, at least not as much as say part 4. Part 4 definitely panders way harder than part 3. And I really like part 5. Finally re-watching the uncut version last year or so made me appreciate it more.

Matt H.
03-17-2019, 10:10 AM
Underrated:

Creepshow 2
Food of the Gods II
Howling III
Halloween II (2009)
Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer Part 2
It's Alive III
King Kong Lives
Phantasm III
Psycho III
Return of the Living Dead Part II
A Return to Salem's Lot
Return to Sleepaway Camp
Sin City: A Dame to Kill For
Wishmaster 2

Better than original:

Best of the Best II
Black Magic 2
Critters 2
Curse II
Ghoulies II
Nekromantik 2
Penitentiary III
The Return of Swamp Thing
Sorority House Massacre II

David H
03-17-2019, 10:37 AM
Reading back through the thread I'm overjoyed at the love for DEATHSTALKER II. This was one of my favorite "discoveries" back when I was renting videos from Erol's and I was a day 1 buyer when it came out on dvd. The first DEATHSTALKER is also good but the sequel is like a breath of fresh air. It's just fun and unpretentious.

Do James Bond movies count? I always found THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN to be one of my favorite Bonds, but no one else seems to like it. Christopher Lee, Herve Villechaize, kung fu, car stunts, and beautiful Thai scenery with a villain's lair that has since been nicknamed 'James Bond Island' in real life? I love this movie.

Sticking with the 70s, I always found FRENCH CONNECTION II to be underrated, although I love the first one as well.

EVIL DEAD is one of my favorite films, but EVIL DEAD II is incredibly overrated. It's a less intense, dumber remake of the original.

HOSTEL PART II is underrated. Eli Roth is a talentless hack but HOSTEL II is a terrific film. Very atmospheric with a nice Eurohorror feel.