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Ian Jane
09-14-2012, 09:16 AM
Anyone else check this out yet? Say what you will about Mel (go ahead, seriously, he deserves it) but this movie was a lot of fun. I liked the whole concept of the 'world's best best/world's shittiest mall' compound, I thought the movie went at a very good pace and appreciated the fact that it was pretty damn violent. It had some good humor and Mel's character was surprisingly (given what a douche he's turned out to be in the real world) likeable. Even the kid actor was good.

Alex K.
09-14-2012, 10:12 AM
"You're supposed to smile AND BLOWWWWW MEEEEEE!"

Haven't seen it, will rectify that.

paul h.
09-14-2012, 12:20 PM
I watched it. Does any one else feel like he's really gone completely mentally ill?

Ian Jane
09-14-2012, 12:29 PM
Yeah, he's gone slightly insane I think. It worked in the movie though.

paul h.
09-14-2012, 04:09 PM
Yeah, he's gone slightly insane I think. It worked in the movie though.

slightly.:cuckoo:

yep. Sort of worked in Edge of Darkness, and even The Beaver, too.

Ian Jane
09-14-2012, 04:11 PM
I haven't seen The Beaver yet but a product I worked on was sent to the set for product placement purposes. Maybe if you look really closely you can see my fingerprints on it or something. That'd be rad.

Alex K.
09-15-2012, 05:29 AM
Saw it. Pretty damn good. A little hard to follow towards the end though.

Paul L
09-16-2012, 05:46 PM
I watched this a month or so ago, when the US Blu-ray was released. Word of mouth was good, so I bought it blind.

I had moderate expectations, but found myself really enjoying GET THE GRINGO. The action was good and 'meaty', and the movie's got something to say; there's some good, very dry humour too. I read somewhere that the film was planned as a pseudo-sequel of sorts to Helgeland's Richard Stark adaptation PAYBACK, and it shows: the dry narration worked very well, I thought.

Ian Jane
09-16-2012, 06:52 PM
I read somewhere that the film was planned as a pseudo-sequel of sorts to Helgeland's Richard Stark adaptation PAYBACK, and it shows: the dry narration worked very well, I thought.

Interesting. I didn't know that but as I was watching it I kind of got a similar vibe to that which comes with Payback. Maybe my movie sense was tingling for a reason.

sukebanboy
09-16-2012, 10:22 PM
Liked this one a lot.....Not at all original idea..but recreated those old 1970's movie atmosphere of sweaty mexico, corrupt cops and mad gringos perfectly.....and just as violent too!

Ian Jane
09-17-2012, 09:25 AM
Liked this one a lot.....Not at all original idea..but recreated those old 1970's movie atmosphere of sweaty mexico, corrupt cops and mad gringos perfectly.....and just as violent too!

Yeah, it had sort of a Peckinpah/Bring Me The Head Of Alfredo Garcia vibe to it in spots that was nice to see.

The Silly Swede
09-30-2012, 12:03 PM
I liked this one a lot. Sure, it was as mentioned before, not very original, but it had style and enough energy to pull it off. I only wish it was a few minutes longer, as it felt kind of rushed in a few key scenes. But overall a very nice film.

Ehren H
09-30-2012, 12:11 PM
I've picked this up and put it back at the store a couple of times. It sounds amazing, and Mel Gibson IS a hell of an actor, I just don't want any of my money going to him. It really bums me out he's such a psychotic nutbag these days, because he was one of my favorite actors for a really long time. Hell, Maverick is still one of my favorite movies, and Payback is amazing.

I might have to watch this one.

Ian Jane
10-01-2012, 08:48 AM
Mel Gibson IS a hell of an actor, I just don't want any of my money going to him. It really bums me out he's such a psychotic nutbag these days, because he was one of my favorite actors for a really long time.

Agreed. I can't bring myself to support him after the way he's behaved in recent years. I was loaned the DVD by a friend and definitely had fun with it, but couldn't bring myself to actually buy it.

The Silly Swede
10-01-2012, 04:56 PM
Stop being so politically correct Ian and Ehren. Mel is Mel. And I don't think his insanity is that much worse then that of Tom Cruise, John Travolta or any other sci-fi believer. Respect the art and not the artist ;)

Ian Jane
10-01-2012, 05:01 PM
I do respect the art, which is why I watched the movie and started a thread on it stating that I enjoyed it.

Bonehead. ;)

The Silly Swede
10-01-2012, 05:35 PM
Good. Now give Mel all your monies lebowski so he can thrive.

Richard--W
10-01-2012, 05:39 PM
You guys have talked me into getting GET THE GRINGO. He's played the slightly unhinged nut before -- anyone remember the LETHAL WEAPON movies.

Mel is okay with me. I don't hold his personal failings against him because I understand where's he's coming from. He has moral and artistic integrity, and he's a highly developed actor. He hasn't done anything wrong that everyone else in Malibu / Bel Aire / Beverley Hills hasn't done ten times worse (believe me I know) he just got caught at it. Divorce in that town is psychologically and emotionally waged as well as legally waged. Divorce firms practice a scorched earth policy toward the male that leaves emotional scars for the rest of one's life. Some men never get over it. I've been tempted to say a few of the same outrageous things he's said. That's just anger and pain talking. No matter what outrageous things he says, I don't believe there is malice or vindictiveness in Mel Gibson.

Paul L
10-01-2012, 05:40 PM
And, you know, he's got emotional problems, man. Nobody fucks with the Mel.

Damnit, BIG LEBOWSKI quotes are rolling around in my brain now :D

Ian Jane
10-01-2012, 05:45 PM
I think he got drunk and shot his mouth off about his ex during a very bad period in his life and fucked up. It happens. It's hard to defend it, but it happens - but then the whole 'raped by a pack of niggers' comment and his anti-semetic remarks... yeah. Those are pretty lousy. On top of that, he did plead guilty to a battery against his ex-wife.

I guess I'm not down with racists who beat women, nor was I when I was going through my divorce.

Get The Gringo was fun though.

Paul L
10-01-2012, 05:58 PM
You guys have talked me into getting GET THE GRINGO. He's played the slightly unhinged nut before -- anyone remember the LETHAL WEAPON movies.

Mel is okay with me. I don't hold his personal failings against him because I understand where's he's coming from. He has moral and artistic integrity, and he's a highly developed actor.
Whilst I can see where Ian's coming from, I think that what Richard said here is what matters for me. Gibson's long been pigeonholed as a 'kook' due to the roles that made him (MAD MAX, LETHAL WEAPON), something which gossip headlines have apparently confirmed. Plus, he's always been something of an outsider in Hollywood. Having had friends who have suffered breakdowns, and a cousin who's had ongoing battled with mental illness (schizophrenia), Gibson's apparently erratic behaviour doesn't colour my perception of his work. Gibson's apparently erratic personal behaviour has no bearing on how I see his work - and I say 'apparently' because, as with all celebrity journalism, the stories of Gibson's behaviour are stripped from whatever their context was. Having grown up in a household where my father was regularly violent towards my mother, I abhor domestic violence but understand that very often, the abuser is suffering from the scars of their childhood - which makes me both very sensitive to issues of domestic violence (I was sickened by that sequence in the Pitt-Jolie vehicle MR AND MRS SMITH in which the two leads - spouses playing spouses - attacked one another, supposedly to comic effect) and, ironically, a little more forgiving of the aggressor. (This is probably something that only makes sense when you've grown up in that kind of environment: I remember reading an article by Patrick Stewart, who was also raised in a household in which his father regularly assaulted his mother, and he made a similar statement.) When it comes to Gibson's output as a filmmaker, I have no doubt that he's a professional - the work speaks for itself, I reckon.

To be honest, I find Gibson's erratic behaviour and arguably reprehensible prejudices (assuming those drunken rants are indeed representative of the man himself) easier to swallow than the bitter ideological pill that is Scientology - with a couple of exceptions (the two Spielberg pictures and COLLATERAL), I've had a long-standing boycott of Tom Cruise's films.

Apronikoff
10-01-2012, 06:51 PM
Having grown up in a household where my father was regularly violent towards my mother, I abhor domestic violence but understand that very often, the abuser is suffering from the scars of their childhood - which makes me both very sensitive to issues of domestic violence (I was sickened by that sequence in the Pitt-Jolie vehicle MR AND MRS SMITH in which the two leads - spouses playing spouses - attacked one another, supposedly to comic effect) and, ironically, a little more forgiving of the aggressor. (This is probably something that only makes sense when you've grown up in that kind of environment: I remember reading an article by Patrick Stewart, who was also raised in a household in which his father regularly assaulted his mother, and he made a similar statement.)

Paul, I just wanted to thank you for posting such a pointed, well-reasoned statement on the subject. I've had too many arguments on this subject before and it's nice to see someone express my own beliefs so well. I lost a couple of female friends, when Polanski was in all the headlines, for expressing my belief that it was possible to be understanding of and sympathetic towards him while still detesting his crimes. Too many people seem to take the position that you have to either condemn someone as evil scum or say that you think everything that they're accused of doing is a-ok. In general, I think, life is more complicated than that...

Ian Jane
10-01-2012, 07:08 PM
I'm not condemning Gibson, that's not my place, simply stating my opinions on his behavior - which I think is pretty horrible. It does taint his work for me. I wish it didn't, because I enjoy it and I can and do see the man's talent. But it does. I can't not think of his outbursts when I see his movies now and because of that I'm less likely to seek them out. If I came across as coming down on those who don't see it that way that was not my intention. I just have little patience for rascists, and he's done a good job of painting himself into that corner.

Richard--W
10-01-2012, 07:29 PM
Ethnic prejudice works both ways. It is a sad fact that people who are not Jewish are habitually denied employment and access to financing by the "Hollywood" community. For all their talk about diversity, they are the most discriminatory and tribal of communities. I speak from personal experience. i don't know what provoked Mel Gibson to make those racist remarks, but you can be sure that he was provoked by reasons.

Ehren H
10-01-2012, 07:59 PM
Not wanting to give money to Mel Gibson doesn't make me politically correct, it's voting with my dollar, capitalism at it's best. I don't want to support insane racist nutbags who hide behind their weird brand of catholicism to justify it. Bringing up Travolta and Cruise doesn't help either, because neither of those psychos get my money either. Travolta because he hasn't done a good movie in a long while (I do still like the guy, can't help it haha), and Cruise because he sucks AND he's a completely psychotic cultist. BUT, I have never heard Travolta or Cruise go on racist tirades MULTIPLE times, and neither of them have made a "guilt you into believing in Jesus" torture porn flick that scapegoated jewish people. Travolta did, sadly, make Battlefield Earth, however...

I have limited funds in my life, if I'm going to spend it on something, I want it to be on something I can be proud about buying...like 70's porn and movies with chainsaws.

Ian Jane
10-01-2012, 08:09 PM
Ethnic prejudice works both ways. It is a sad fact that people who are not Jewish are habitually denied employment and access to financing by the "Hollywood" community. For all their talk about diversity, they are the most discriminatory and tribal of communities. I speak from personal experience. i don't know what provoked Mel Gibson to make those racist remarks, but you can be sure that he was provoked by reasons.

If your point is that there are assholes from all walks of life, agreed - I think that's obvious.

But as someone who has Jewish employers (who have not habitually denied me employment or any of the other non-Jewish employees who outnumber them about 4 to 1) and Jewish family through marriage (who to the best of my knowledge have not discriminated against anyone and who were never anything but completely welcoming to their gentile relatives), I can assure you that from my experience that's the exception and not the rule.

I also speak from personal experience. I think we all do.

And whatever Mel's reasons were (and you're assuming he was provoked, I'm not making assumptions - he was drunk out of his mind and spouting racist bullshit) he is responsible for what he says. Provoked by some random Jewish guy or not, he said some horrible things and he tarnished his own image by doing so. As such, there are people like myself (and Ehren) who don't want to give him money. I'm not going to look down on those who do and I may occasionally still enjoy his films, but in short, I think Mel Gibson is a horrible person. Mel is accountable for what Mel does, you can choose to hold him accountable or not. If you don't, that's fine - again, I have no problem with that. But I do hold him accountable.... because he is, though like everyone else he's not beyond redemption. He could and should clean up his act and keep it clean long enough that people like me get over it. He's not there yet, but hopefully he'll get there.

Richard--W
10-01-2012, 09:07 PM
Mel Gibson's racist talk came out of being hurt. It came out of being injured. I have a forgiving nature, and I forgive Mel his transgressions.

I'm not so kindly disposed to cultists who do evil, like Cruise and Travolta.

Apronikoff
10-01-2012, 09:13 PM
Mel Gibson's racist talk came out of being hurt. It came out of being injured. I have a forgiving nature, and I forgive Mel his transgressions.

I'm not so kindly disposed to cultists who do evil, like Cruise and Travolta.

Luckily, I've never had to give it much thought where Mel Gibson is concerned. With the (admittedly big) exception of the first two Mad Max films, I have basically zero interest in any of his movies anyway.

Ehren H
10-01-2012, 09:30 PM
I'd be willing to believe the racism came from his being "hurt," if it wasn't a regular thing for him. It's habitual. He's a bigot, a supremely talented bigot, but a bigot, no less. Michael Richards doesn't get a free pass for his outburst just because he was being heckled, either, and I personally think hecklers should be treated with supreme disdain and contempt.

I still think Gibson's a great actor, and he's a fantastic director, but the dude's not getting my money. And I agree, neither are the cultists.

Horace Cordier
10-01-2012, 10:01 PM
I loathe Gibson in many ways as both a human being and a religious psychotic but I continue to support some of his artistic endeavors and here is why:

I can separate the art from the artist. And Mel is a pretty damned good actor. Not only on the hits like LETHAL WEAPON and THE ROAD WARRIOR but all the way back to GALLIPOLI. He's expressive and charismatic and always interesting to watch. Even dreck like WHAT WOMEN WANT becomes almost watchable with him in it.

But while I understand what Paul and Richard are saying I think it says more about their forgiving natures than Mel's personality. And whether the woman he beat was a gold digger or not is beside the point anyway. This woman pulled a similar number on Timothy Dalton and he somehow managed to pony up the child support and not beat the hell out of her. He'll, there are actually pictures of Dalton hanging out with her AFTER the "shakedown" and looking sociable!

Mel was a married man with a huge family and supposedly a devout catholic who destroyed his own marriage by being a selfish prick. And he doesn't even have the Polanski (the holocaust) or Travolta/Cruise (brainwashing) excuse for his damaged psyche - he's a pampered multimillionaire movie star and has been rich and famous most of his adult life. I also freely admit my OWN hot spots - I have a fundamental loathing for woman beaters, racists and anti-Semites. And I'm an atheist. So Mel is batting 1000 with my ass.

But I'm not going to stop watching his movies. I bought GET THE GRINGO and I'm happy to have it. I'll watch it soon because it looks like the kind of movie I like. And because if I only watched movies by nice upstanding people I'd be watching crap like Ron Howard movies for the rest of my life. I'm not giving up my Sam Peckinpah and Ruggero Deodato either. Ever.

The Silly Swede
10-02-2012, 07:17 AM
Great post Horace.

The way I see it: Mel at least is disgusting in plain sight, out in the open. Ron Howard is most likely just as disgusting a human being (he has to be, to be able to make such bland and un-offensive movies) but he hides it inside, so one can only guess what kind of fucked up sicko he really is. So if I have to choose I would go with Mel all the time, as his depravities are allready accounted for.

Ian Jane
10-02-2012, 08:57 AM
This all makes sense but again, Mel is accountable for what he says and does, hurt or not. And I might be willing to forgive him if he seemed sincerely sorry for what he's done, but I don't get the impression that he is. Ehren also raises a good point - it's not like he had one screw up, he's had a few and they were big ones and as Horace said, he's lead a pretty charmed life in a lot of ways. So yeah, I have trouble sympathizing with him. I know plenty of people who managed to go through nasty divorces without hitting their ex's or telling them they deserved to be raped and I know many people who have managed to get drunk off their asses without blaming the Jews for the world's problems.

I do have to admit though, my hat is off to him for bringing the term 'sugar tits' into the world.

Again, those who want to support him should obvioulsy do just that - I'm just stating where I'm coming from here. It's lead to some interesting conversation if nothing else.

Paul L
10-02-2012, 10:56 AM
I have to clarify that I don't think anyone's 'wrong' for boycotting Gibson's movies. For me, his (claimed) manic depressive tendencies provide a context for his behaviour and outbursts - which isn't the same as an excuse, of course. I feel the same way about Gibson as I do about Connery, although I like Connery as an actor much more than Gibson. In the past, Connery has been similarly unrepentant about his (alleged) abuse of Diane Cilento, but that's never shaded my feelings towards his work. Then again, I've never had any problem reconciling my appreciation of totalitarian art with my disdain for the contexts in which it was produced.

On the other hand, I'm definitely with Richard on the sect that spreads.

Horace Cordier
10-02-2012, 11:22 PM
I have to clarify that I don't think anyone's 'wrong' for boycotting Gibson's movies. For me, his (claimed) manic depressive tendencies provide a context for his behaviour and outbursts - which isn't the same as an excuse, of course. I feel the same way about Gibson as I do about Connery, although I like Connery as an actor much more than Gibson. In the past, Connery has been similarly unrepentant about his (alleged) abuse of Diane Cilento, but that's never shaded my feelings towards his work. Then again, I've never had any problem reconciling my appreciation of totalitarian art with my disdain for the contexts in which it was produced.

On the other hand, I'm definitely with Richard on the sect that spreads.

I'm just not as nice as you Paul - and that is meant as a sincere compliment. I will say that after reading the brilliant "Inside Scientology" I've ironically become more understanding of Cruise and Travolta. Their insecurities were RUTHLESSLY played on by the powers that be in that cult (and yes, that is EXACTLY what Scientology is). The real villains in that freak show are the despicable David Miscavige and some of his main henchmen.

The actors are just dumb tools.

Paul L
10-03-2012, 05:19 AM
The actors are just dumb tools.
I think that's probably what offends me the most about them, Horace :biggrin:

Mark Tolch
10-03-2012, 10:19 AM
But as someone who has Jewish employers (who have not habitually denied me employment or any of the other non-Jewish employees who outnumber them about 4 to 1) and Jewish family through marriage (who to the best of my knowledge have not discriminated against anyone and who were never anything but completely welcoming to their gentile relatives), I can assure you that from my experience that's the exception and not the rule. .

But, he said "Hollywood" :-D

Ian Jane
10-03-2012, 10:21 AM
This is the only Hollywood that matters, brother.

Mark Tolch
10-03-2012, 11:14 AM
Amen to that.

Richard--W
10-06-2012, 12:51 AM
You guys are entitled to your views, but I think you're over-reacting to Mel Gibson's behavior.

Moving forward, GET THE GRINGO takes me to a place I haven't seen in the movies before unless you count Emilio "el Indio" Fernandez's EL PUEBLITO (1962). Not quite the same thing, but close. Most people recognize Fernandez as the barbarous generale M'Apache in THE WILD BUNCH (1969), but he was also one Mexico's pioneer film directors during the el epoca de oro (golden age of cinema). Fernandez had led an amazing life fighting in the Mexican revolution before he migrated to Hollywood to make westerns, then back again to Mexico. He was a first-rate dramatist who collaborated with Hemingway and Steinbeck and B. Traven on the scripts for his films. If he had directed GET THE GRINGO it would be both a relentless hardboiled crime film as well as an eloquent drama about social injustice. Fernandez depicted the streets with gritty authenticity, but he always found an underlyiing humanity in horrific circumstances that invested his films with purpose. GET THE GRINGO could have amounted to something great like a Fernandez film. The writing is nowhere as good, but it has all the makings. For that matter, if Mel Gibson had directed it, it would be a better movie. There's nothing wrong with GET THE GRINGO that a change in director's couldn't fix. I like it, but it's badly done, ineptly directed. Gibson has real gravel in his gut and spit in his eye. His face and voice are full of pathos. The film is a total mess but Gibson makes it worth watching.