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Ian Jane
09-30-2012, 09:29 AM
By now some of you have probably heard that the transfer on the Twilight Time Blu-ray is different, it's got a noticable blue tint to it and is considerably darker. Noticed this last night as we were watching it. I don't mind that it's a bit darker, not sure the blue tint is necessary.

A (very low res) screencap comparison from this site (http://slasherfilmsanctuary.blogspot.com/2012/09/night-of-living-dead-twilight-time-blu.html):

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It's pretty obvious there how different it is. Detail is generally good, black levels decent (considering that it's dark) and texutre is good.

Everyone will have their own opinion on it obviously. Some caps from the Blu-ray....

Ian Jane
09-30-2012, 10:00 AM
Click the caps to make them big!

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Ian Jane
09-30-2012, 10:01 AM
Click the caps to make them big!

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Jimmy Simard
09-30-2012, 10:49 AM
That sure look bad, anyway my old DVD was more than enough for this film who isn't that great to begin with.

Even if it surely suck for those who paid the high Twilight Time pre-order price, I find it hard to not laugh at the EBay leeches who purchased multiple copies just to make a fast buck at the expense of the real fans of the film. Hope they will love their multiple unsaleable Blu-Rays :funny:

Ehren H
09-30-2012, 11:35 AM
This kind of bums me out. The bright, warm colors of the remake gave it a stark contrast to the original, and also made the setting so picturesque I think it actually accentuated the horror.

Apronikoff
09-30-2012, 12:01 PM
Well, I can see how if you're really familiar with the previous color scheme the change might annoy. I hadn't seen the movie in 20 years since it first came out on VHS so didn't remember it as being different. Personally, I don't think anyone would be disappointed by the transfer unless they're comparing it o the earlier color scheme. As Ian noted, detail and shadow levels are both quite good...when I watched it last night, one of my favorite things about it was he "dusk"y look of the early scenes.

Richard--W
09-30-2012, 01:14 PM
Previous color scheme? Earlier color scheme?

Apronikoff, there is only one correct color scheme and you'll find it in the theatrical prints and the original DVD.

Something went seriously wrong with the Blu-ray. It's too dark -- ridiculously dark -- and a blue tint has been imposed. A sharper image of a muddier murkey print with false color is not an upgrade. Density and color are simply wrong. This is amateur, like teaching a student how to use the color timer for the first time. Somebody didn't know what they were doing. It's actually as bad as VAMPIRE CIRCUS.

What a huge disappointment.

Apronikoff
09-30-2012, 01:39 PM
Previous color scheme? Earlier color scheme?

Apronikoff, there is only one correct color scheme and you'll find it in the theatrical prints and the original DVD.

Richard, I didn't say anything about the blu-ray having the correct or incorrect color scheme. As I said, I hadn't seen the film in a long time so don't have any memory of what the "correct" look is. My point was, and is, that when seen in motion on a TV the transfer is attractive. Others may disagree, and that's fine.

If this is not how Savini wants the film to look, then yes I'd prefer to have a blu-ray that represents his desired look.

Anyway, here's that Twilight Time had to say on the matter:


Just a quick note to those folk disappointed with the Blu-ray transfer of Night of the Living Dead: Today is Sunday, and we won't be able to speak with any of the studio team until tomorrow. However, we are very limited in what we can do. If it is determined that the Blu-ray is exactly what was signed off by the filmmakers and / or, other involved personnel, then we will be sure this accurately reflects everyone's intentions. On the other hand, should it be discovered that some error occurred, somewhere between telecine and master, then that would be another matter. We will know the answer in a matter of days...in the meantime all we can do is have SAE refund consumers who want to return their discs...
Apologies for any inconvenience.

bgart13
09-30-2012, 02:01 PM
Having watched it last night, I'll say in defense that it's very sharp, very detailed, and has good grain (not DNR'd). It has been desaturated, altering the color scheme significantly (corpses no longer have the yellow/green/pale/purple look to them as they were intended (or so Savini said in old interviews for the movie in magazines like Fangoria). There's more darkness, which is more realistic to me (which actually works in the movie's favor, honestly) -- but yes, much of the former details have been obscured by the darkness. I can tell what the technicians were going for, dimming the look of the movie to show it was turning from dusk to night at the beginning and keeping the old house darker due to the lack of bright lighting a house wouldn't actually have -- and it sort of works, if a bit heavy handed in execution. I think we're seeing the effects of popular, modern filmmaking and the influence of junk like THE WALKING DEAD. I do wonder if Savini approved of it, or if Sony ran with it. I can't imagine Grover Crisp actually oversaw this transfer and signed off on it himself (unless he worked with Savini or Romero on it) -- I'm thinking someone else was in charge of it. If I was not familiar with the movie, the disc's appearance wouldn't have bothered me at all. Knowing it originally was different definitely affects my feelings about it.

Dick Ringeisen
10-01-2012, 05:06 AM
I was tempted to preorder this, though, keeping in mind that I prefer the black and white 1968 version, to this film, I thought, I'd pass on it since it was $35. I was going to chance it appearing later on, after Twilight Time's contract is over, for less $. I recall paying $10 or less for the DVD of this movie, many years ago, so..

Anyway, I own one DVD (No blu-ray released), and 1 Blu-ray from Twilight Time. I have been happy with both. A bit pricier than some other companies, but, I knew what I was getting for the price, and I made a decision those two titles were worth the price. It's the same thought process I go through when it comes to Criterions stuff. and Lately, some of Shout!'s stuff.

This Blu-ray, if I bought it, I would have been very disappointed.

There is currently another twilight Time Blu-ray, due for release soon, that I am interested in, however, due to this incident with Night of the Living Dead, I am going to wait and nto preorder anything again until I see how this mess is handled first. Refunds are nice, but will they also be refunding also the shipping costs for shipping the item back to their place? I'd want to be refunded for that, also. Either that, or e-mail a pre-paid shipping label.


The way I NOW feel now about Twilight Time's upcoming DVDs and Blu-rays;

- If they offer full refunds, or an exchange program for a blu-ray that features the proper look of Night of the Living Dead. I won't mind pre-ordering from them again.

- If the refunds don't include an additional refund for my postage to return the defective product, and they stand by, "This is how it is, and how it is supposed to be" I won't ever preorder from them again. i will wait for a review online, so I can see what the picture quality is, and then decide whether or not to purchase.

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Ian Jane
10-01-2012, 11:23 AM
See the catch with the 'never pre-order from them again' angle is that if something they put out sells through on pre-order like NOTLD 90 did, you're left paying jacked up prices for it on eBay or Amazon.

I'm disappointed in this transfer. It looks better in motion than in the caps I think but it's hard to argue that this is how it's supposed to look (unless we get some official statement from Savini or something) when the VHS and DVD versions were so much brighter (and I don't think that's due to the contrast boosting that seems to have, in hindsight, been present on a lot of DVDs).

Ehren H
10-01-2012, 11:35 AM
For some reason I get the feeling that as long as the check cleared, Savini won't really care either way. Who DP'ed this flick? That's who I really wanna hear from on this, because it seems like a lot of care was put into creating that warm color palette for the film.

Ian Jane
10-01-2012, 12:06 PM
Frank Prinzi was cinematographer

Ehren H
10-01-2012, 12:22 PM
He's been pretty prolific, and on some pretty big movies, I'd like to hear what he has to say. By the time he did NOTLD '90 he wasn't a newbie to shooting by any means, I can't imagine that the warm look wasn't intentional on his part.

Dick Ringeisen
10-01-2012, 12:32 PM
See the catch with the 'never pre-order from them again' angle is that if something they put out sells through on pre-order like NOTLD 90 did, you're left paying jacked up prices for it on eBay or Amazon.

I'm disappointed in this transfer. It looks better in motion than in the caps I think but it's hard to argue that this is how it's supposed to look (unless we get some official statement from Savini or something) when the VHS and DVD versions were so much brighter (and I don't think that's due to the contrast boosting that seems to have, in hindsight, been present on a lot of DVDs).


It depends on the title, if it's something I MUST have a hardcopy of, in HD or whatever, then I make a chance.

However, like this NOTLD release, and some other upcoming ttitles, I am waiting it out, especially now to see a review first.

I tend to stay away from jacked-up ebay prices and such. Since NOTLD is available on VUDU and such, nowadays, there are sometiems other options out there for HD, and I don't want to spend $100+ on a blu-ray that was limited.

What it mostly comes down to, is seeing how Twilight Time handles this. This is not somethign minor, as it goes throughout the entire film. i read someplace else about missing sound effects during the end, Camera clicks and a flash charging, from what I recall, though it's been a while since I last saw the film. Though, i've only seen the movie, twice, in the past 10 years (Moreso before that, recorded it from HBO or similar, many years ago.), i would have picked up on that missing. Just as I picked up when the DVD of Return of the Living Dead was relased, and there was a different zombie voice.

I'm not a big fan of the movie, I think of it as decent for what it is. However, this is not a minor mistake.

I'll see how Twilight Time handles this. I'll still order from them, but I'm more inclined to wait for reviews first.

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Scott
10-01-2012, 03:04 PM
I always appreciated the warm bright look of this film, it gave it a kinda end of summer/indian summer feeling.

Apronikoff
10-02-2012, 04:04 PM
In case anyone is interested, apparently the controversial transfer is Savini approved:

Don May, Jr. on Facebook:

He told me it looks "terrific", so there ya go. I liked it, too... it was different, but I felt the darker images added a sense of dread and mood that intensified the scares. The blue tinting seemed GREATLY exaggerated on some screengrabs I've seen online. Like it or not, the director approves!

Ian Jane
10-02-2012, 04:53 PM
And Twilight Time just posted this:

"UPDATE: As promised, we have discussed NOTLD at the studio and are able to verify via SPE's Mastering Department, that our Blu-ray is indeed the approved transfer from 2010, generated for the film's 20th anniversary, and done in consultation with the film's director of photography. As you will have also seen on this page and elsewhere on the internet, director Tom Savini has now had a chance to view the end product and declared it "fantastic." As we are aware that some fans of the film will remain disappointed, our offer of a full refund still stands if you wish to return your copy. However, we would caution you with this thought: this is a limited edition run of 3,000 copies, and the title is sold out. Right or wrong, it is a collector's item, and there are no guarantees this title will ever be repressed. Going forward, if TT encounters another situation where the new transfer differs greatly from the old, we will bring that to collectors' attention prior to the disc being offered so that you may know of the changes beforehand. Thanks for all your support.

Best,

Nick Redman and Brian Jamieson."

Dick Ringeisen
10-02-2012, 06:43 PM
Ah, so it's a, "20th Anniversary" edition.

From what I saw, the recoloring looks pretty awful. Then again, if this had been the first time I had viewed the film, I may feel different. It's just not the way I saw it on cable, VHS, DVD, over the years.

I am glad I didn't preorder this. If I had, I wouldn't return it, I'd be selling it on ebay for more than I paid.

This also did educate me about how many other places have this particular title available online in HD. Amazon.com, Vudu come to mind.

I was never a big fan of the movie, and didn't have much intention of picking up the Twilight Time blu-ray, however if it were still around a few months from now, and I had $35 burrning a hole in my pocket, there was always that possibiltiy.

I am from now on waiting for reviews of Twilight Time before I order anything. I don't purchase any of their titles, or any other limited titles for, "Collectibility" or possible resale later. i generally only buy movies I know I will watch. I avoid movies I don't care much for, or if they feature new edits I am unhapyp with.

This was pretty educational, the extent now some are going to, even with a previously little talked about movie (NOTLD 1990 wasn't that talked about.), to, "Reimagine" their movie, and tinker with color and such. Could have gone all-out and added some CGI.

When i read about stuff like this, and see it; Such as The Devil Rides out blu-ray, NOTLD 1990 blu-ray, etc, it makes me wonder how much other stuff is going to be heavily tinkered with in the future.

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Robert W
10-02-2012, 07:44 PM
I saw NotLD 1990 when it originally came out and don't remember it being overly dark or blue tinted.

Personally speaking, I really don't think this new edition looks "fantastic."

Travis Sheldon
10-03-2012, 06:43 AM
Was anyone aware of this "20th Anniversary" print before Twilight Time released the Blu?
I have heard of the HD version, but not this current desaturated product.

Richard--W
10-03-2012, 07:40 AM
I don't know the answer, but if memory serves there was a festival screening in L.A. in 2010. That might be the 20th Anniversary they're referring to.

Wouldn't it be helpful if dp Frank Prinzi stepped forward to explain his reasons for darkening, tinting and desaturating the image.

Andrew Monroe
10-03-2012, 08:08 AM
See post # 28 here (http://monsterkidclassichorrorforum.yuku.com/topic/4485/Night-of-the-Living-Dead-1990?page=2) for split screen comparisons of the dvd and BD. It's pretty jarring.

Barry M
10-03-2012, 08:13 AM
Needs more teal. In protest, I will not purchase this out-of-print and unavailable disc. Further, as one who hasn't bought it, I will limit my online raging to saying, "huh".

Dick Ringeisen
10-03-2012, 08:29 AM
This release did sell me on the UK Blu-ray release of Return of the Living Dead. I had forgotten about it until all this talk of this NOTLD 1990 stuff.

Well, that was about $25 USD, and has the original theatrical soundtrack, not the edited one. I hate the steelbooks, since it will get scratched up on a shelf.

Anyway, some good did come out of this, I was reminded of the ROTLD blu-ray released in the UK this year.

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Ian Jane
10-03-2012, 09:35 AM
Was anyone aware of this "20th Anniversary" print before Twilight Time released the Blu?

Nope. I think maybe Sony had planned on one at some point and tossed the idea after the transfer was done. Then the transfer ended up with Twilight Time once they get the rights to the Sony catalogue titles in their agreement.

Travis Sheldon
10-03-2012, 10:32 AM
I wonder if another company pursues NOTLD '90, do they get the 2010 transfer as well?
I would think that if another group was interested in releasing a BD of this title, they would be keenly aware of this situation and try to get a more "fan friendly" transfer.

Ian Jane
10-03-2012, 10:37 AM
Given that Twilight Time has the rights for 3 years and that no one in the US should (in theory) be able to release it in that time frame, I guess it's viable that should there be a re-release 36 months from now, the licensor could request a different master, since there are other HD masters out there for the movie.

Dick Ringeisen
10-03-2012, 11:38 AM
Given that Twilight Time has the rights for 3 years and that no one in the US should (in theory) be able to release it in that time frame, I guess it's viable that should there be a re-release 36 months from now, the licensor could request a different master, since there are other HD masters out there for the movie.

After all this mess about the transfer, I wouldn't be surprised if another region outside the USA REGION A picked it up for release, with the non-2010 transfer.

Bad publicity is often-times also good. Now LOTS of people are talking about Twilight Time AND NOTLD 1990.

NOTLD 1990, I am very sure will receive another release on Blu-ray, whether in Region A or not.

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Horace Cordier
10-03-2012, 02:36 PM
I'm going to watch mine tonight. It'll be interesting to see if I agree with Don May's assessment that the "blue tint" has been grossly exaggerated or not.

Travis Sheldon
10-03-2012, 03:16 PM
Given that Twilight Time has the rights for 3 years and that no one in the US should (in theory) be able to release it in that time frame, I guess it's viable that should there be a re-release 36 months from now, the licensor could request a different master, since there are other HD masters out there for the movie.

Sorry Ian, I was thinking of a non-US release.
I have to think with the hype the Twilight Time release has generated there has to be an Arrow or Optimum looking to turn a buck.

Horace Cordier
10-03-2012, 04:23 PM
I'm thinking this'd be a good one for Second Sight. I can even see a great tag line - "Non-Director approved version! And all the better for it!". Hell, they should just start a whole new line called the Original Vision Series and do THE DEVIL RIDES OUT as well.

Jimmy Simard
10-03-2012, 04:25 PM
I'm going to watch mine tonight. It'll be interesting to see if I agree with Don May's assessment that the "blue tint" has been grossly exaggerated or not.
Whatever it is or isn't exaggerated is not the point... The film never looked like that, even when it was theatrically shown (I've seen it in a cinema when it was new and it looked the same way it looks on the dvd).

To be honest the fact Don May say it isn't a big deal to re-invent a film doesn't inspire me to purchase future Synapse blu-rays...

Horace Cordier
10-03-2012, 05:09 PM
Whatever it is or isn't exaggerated is not the point... The film never looked like that, even when it was theatrically shown (I've seen it in a cinema when it was new and it looked the same way it looks on the dvd).

To be honest the fact Don May say it isn't a big deal to re-invent a film doesn't inspire me to purchase future Synapse blu-rays...

Well, in all fairness that isn't really what he said. He said that the picture looked good - just different. He also made it clear that this was NOT the original look of the film. As for Synapse, I've never seen them tinker with original elements like what happened with NOTLD 1990. Don May strikes me as very much a purist. And Synapse's transfers are usually excellent. And I don't think Don would ever do something like this without giving buyers plenty if advance warning before taking their money.

What TT put out here is a 2010 DP approved transfer. Like Friedkin's FRENCH CONNECTION re-do its an alternate version. Hopefully the original version will hit Blu at some point.

Robert W
10-03-2012, 06:12 PM
I curious as to why this new print was even struck.

Travis Sheldon
10-03-2012, 06:32 PM
I think one of the things that compounds the frustration of some of the buyers is that TT mentioned nothing about this being a radically different transfer.
Five minutes on crackle.com or a trip to Wal-mart for the original DVD could have given them a point of reference.
Of course, they have since said that they will check all releases from now on.
But, since the release sold out, that is cold comfort for the people who paid a premium for a sub-par product.
Doubly so, or perhaps triply so, for those folks who purchased on eBay.

Alex K.
10-03-2012, 06:43 PM
I think people are making mountains out of molehills. Savini approves, apparently he wanted it to be Blue-tinted originally. Maybe he likes it better? It's Night90, I'd hate to say it but it's not a masterpiece or anything. It's not like the Star Wars re-releases or the guns being replaced by walkie talkies in E.T. Don't like it, don't buy it. At least they're offering a refund and it's not like you can't get the original release anywhere else.

Jimmy Simard
10-03-2012, 07:14 PM
I think people are making mountains out of molehills. Savini approves, apparently he wanted it to be Blue-tinted originally. Maybe he likes it better?
It's completly irrelevent... Did he blue-tinted it in 1990? No, so it's a re-invention of the film...


It's not like the Star Wars re-releases or the guns being replaced by walkie talkies in E.T.
Sorry but it's exactly the same thing... Changing the color scheme of a film change the film completly.



Don't like it, don't buy it.
It's easier to do when those facts are known in the first place...



It's Night90, I'd hate to say it but it's not a masterpiece or anything.
I agree that it isn't a great film to begin with, but the fact we find it good or not is irrelevent. The fans of this film wanted to get a blu-ray (and a costly one to begin with) of this film the way it was done 22 years ago, not a different version. If something you like was treated that way I'm sure you would be the first to be angry and you would be right to be, it isn't different for them...

Robert W
10-03-2012, 07:23 PM
If Savini wanted the blue tint then why didn't he just use it originally? I mean what where the producers on set breathing down his neck telling him, "Shoot it bright! No blue tint!"

Also, I think NotLD 1990 is a pretty underrated film. It certainly has a better cast than the original, as well as being a lot more entertaining than Romero's post Day of the Dead films.

Alex K.
10-03-2012, 07:36 PM
If Savini wanted the blue tint then why didn't he just use it originally? I mean what where the producers on set breathing down his neck telling him, "Shoot it bright! No blue tint!"

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Actually yeah, that was happening. I remember reading an interview and unfortunately I can't find it right now, it's definitely somewhere out there. Savini didn't have very much control over the picture. He fought with the producers and Romero constantly to make changes to differentiate it from the original. The fallout of which ended Savini and Romero's friendship up until the DVD commentaries for the Trilogy and Land of the Dead.

Robert W
10-03-2012, 09:24 PM
Interesting. I can't say I've ever read or seen an interview with Savini where he said that his original intention for his NotLD remake was to look darker and bluer than the version that was originally released.

Horace Cordier
10-03-2012, 10:23 PM
Well I just watched it (after watching the DVD 2 days ago) and first off its not freaking blue. Its desaturated and significantly darker but blue? Uh, no.

I'm watching on a properly calibrated 50 inch Panasonic plasma screen and while this is definitely a different look than the DVD, in terms of clarity and detail this is actually a beautiful transfer. The opening scene in the graveyard looks stunning, I could count the freckles on the bridge of Tallman's nose and the corpse effects look terrific. Even in the darker scenes the detail is absolutely there - and the image has not been dnr'd or manipulated as far as I can see. I'm calling this the alternate version and the truth is that this will be the first version I reach for when I'm in the mood for NOTLD 90. I am keeping my DVD though.

As for TT ripping people off? How? Anyone who bought can get a refund or probably even now make a profit on eBay. And it looks like TT have learned their lesson and will actually LOOK at their titles previous versions before pressing Blu rays in the future. So I think CHRISTINE is safe.

As for the movie itself, Todd gets better with each viewing, and Towles infinitely worse. He's almost hilariously awful here. Amazing when you consider how great he was in HENRY. I was never all that crazy about the Barbara reboot but Tallman is OK and certainly looks good with a gun and spaghetti western-style bullet bandolier.

Richard--W
10-04-2012, 02:39 AM
Horace, many people are seeing a blue tint in specific parts of the blu-ray, including myself:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=91591&forumID=1&archive=0

It isn't present throughout the entire film, however.

But then others are saying they're not seeing a blue tint.

Horace Cordier
10-04-2012, 09:38 AM
Horace, many people are seeing a blue tint in specific parts of the blu-ray, including myself:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=91591&forumID=1&archive=0

It isn't present throughout the entire film, however.

But then others are saying they're not seeing a blue tint.

The only thing I can guess is that it has to do with how the screenshots are taken or how the calibration is on one's TV. A lot of people are saying it's tinted blue but while I saw the darkness, I never felt like I was watching a movie overly tinted in blue. Going by my own eyes I liked the transfer. It is not the way every other version has looked though so I understand the annoyance. And Twilight Time really didn't handle this well overall.

Since this is now sold out I do hope one of the European companies will eventually tackle this and do it in the original form.

Ian Jane
10-04-2012, 09:53 AM
My TV is calibrated too and I see a blue tint. It's not as severe to my eyes as it appears to be to others, and I think a lot of it may just come from the darkening of the picture but I see some blue where others have also.

I agree though that otherwise the transfer is good. Even in the caps I posted you can tell the detail is very strong.

Towles is hilarious. Alison and I giggled a lot every time he called someone a 'lame brain' and actually called someone a 'lame brain' at work the other day. I think it's my new catch phrase and I shall refer to people who annoy me from here on out as lame brains and yo-yo's.

Horace Cordier
10-04-2012, 01:18 PM
My TV is calibrated too and I see a blue tint. It's not as severe to my eyes as it appears to be to others, and I think a lot of it may just come from the darkening of the picture but I see some blue where others have also.

I agree though that otherwise the transfer is good. Even in the caps I posted you can tell the detail is very strong.

Towles is hilarious. Alison and I giggled a lot every time he called someone a 'lame brain' and actually called someone a 'lame brain' at work the other day. I think it's my new catch phrase and I shall refer to people who annoy me from here on out as lame brains and yo-yo's.

Listen you lamebrain! My plasma has better color reproduction than your lame-o puny undersized LED piece of puke.

You'll be BEGGING me to let you into my basement to watch my tv soon.

You yo-yo!

Listen, Towles is hilarious. And fun to watch. But good? Not on your life. It's broad, obvious as hell and WAY over-the-top. He can't touch Hardman.

Todd, on the other hand, is just plain awesome. Unlike Duane's steely but sensitive and almost soulful Ben, Todd is pure testosterone. He's righteous but badass. And very physically intimidating. He's the single best thing in NOTLD 90, and considering my appreciation for Duane Jones in the original that is high praise indeed.

Ian Jane
10-04-2012, 01:48 PM
Listen you lamebrain! My plasma has better color reproduction than your lame-o puny undersized LED piece of puke.

You'll be BEGGING me to let you into my basement to watch my tv soon.

You yo-yo!

Heh. Until an HDMI cable comes loose and you have a panic attack and call me for help.

As far as Todd goes, is this the best performance he's ever given? I seriously think it might be. I can't help but agree with all of your points about his performance in this movie. He's pretty fantastic in it. It's not easy to fill Duane's shoes and I don't know that he's even specifically trying as he gives the character his own spin - but he does it really, really well.

Apronikoff
10-04-2012, 01:56 PM
Listen, Towles is hilarious. And fun to watch. But good? Not on your life. It's broad, obvious as hell and WAY over-the-top. He can't touch Hardman.

Todd, on the other hand, is just plain awesome. Unlike Duane's steely but sensitive and almost soulful Ben, Todd is pure testosterone. He's righteous but badass. And very physically intimidating. He's the single best thing in NOTLD 90, and considering my appreciation for Duane Jones in the original that is high praise indeed.

Agreed. The biggest drawback on this version for me is Towles. He's funny -- but not really in a good way. Seemed like a comic exaggeration of the typical "asshole among the survivors" character. I wanted him to have a mustache so he could twirl it.

Tallman was good I suppose, but I didn't care for this version of Barbara. Most of the reviews I've read spoke of it as a much-needed corrective, as though it was misogynistic to have a female character that didn't turn into an Ellen Ripley/Sarah Connor type. But I thought the original Barbara contributed to the oppressive/hopeless atmosphere. I love Stephen Thrower's description of the original Barbara:
The dismaying honesty of her characterization said 'Who are you kidding? What makes you think you'd cope with this level of horror?' The screams and swoons of Universal or Hammer heroines were more sexual in nature, the closest men to to hearing the female orgasm onscreen before the days of sexual liberation. Barbara isn't part of that game, her trauma isn't titillating; it's scary and all-too believable.

But, Todd was awesome. Makes me wanna re-watch Candyman

Horace Cordier
10-04-2012, 03:05 PM
Wow. Thrower really nails it beautifully there.

Paul L
10-04-2012, 04:43 PM
But, Todd was awesome. Makes me wanna re-watch Candyman
I like Towles in this film more than most of you seem to, but on the other hand I couldn't agree more about Todd. To be honest, I don't think Todd's ever given a bad performance. Sure, he's been in bad films, but even in the worst film he's always watchable - he's one of those actors who I'm always grateful to see on screen, even when he crops up in drek like FINAL DESTINATION 86.

I really liked that episode of THE X FILES that he starred in, back in the mid-1990s.

Ian Jane
10-06-2012, 12:40 PM
Wow. Thrower really nails it beautifully there.

Agreed. I see absolutely no issue with the character in the original. It has nothing to do with being a strong woman or not and everything to do with being understandably and legitimately terrified by a messed up situation. I think many of us would react the same way in that situation and having nothing to do with the performances of the respective actresses involved in each version, I prefer Barbara in the original simply because I think the movie needs that character to stay grounded and for us to sympathize with.

Paul Casey
10-10-2012, 06:07 PM
guns being replaced by walkie talkies in E.T.

OT, but the commercial for the 30th anniversary edition shows the dudes with shotguns again.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8rsbxNz-vA

Apronikoff
10-10-2012, 06:12 PM
Yeah, Spielberg has since said that he regretted the changes and wouldn't be releasing that version again...

Ian Jane
10-25-2012, 11:22 AM
From Twilight Time's Facebook page:

"Just a quick reminder that a small number of NOTLD Blu-rays will be offered for sale at Screen Archives tomorrow, 26th Oct, at 4 pm EST. These are the copies returned by fans disappointed by the new transfer. These will be sold on a first-come, first-served basis, limited to 1 per customer and to those who hadn't previously ordered - www.screenarchives.com (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.screenarchives.com&h=CAQEKkfxcAQG95Qj-5bNQ9nf1kW_ZQM8QL7VZWXgQxmqSZA&s=1)"

Richard--W
12-08-2012, 06:02 PM
Frank Prinzi, the Director of Photography on Night of the Living Dead (1990) doesn't like the blu-ray:

http://www.cinemalowdown.com/2012/11/cinema-lowdown-exclusive.html

So there.

Alex K.
12-08-2012, 06:14 PM
You forgot to throw in a "Neiner neiner neiner!"

Dom D
12-08-2012, 10:51 PM
Frank Prinzi, the Director of Photography on Night of the Living Dead (1990) doesn't like the blu-ray:

http://www.cinemalowdown.com/2012/11/cinema-lowdown-exclusive.html

So there.

You don't have to do much to claim that your grade was made in consultation with the DP do you? Mind you it's the director who counts. A lot of DPs don't get massively involved in grading, considering it something of a dark art. Alhthough there doesn't appear to be too much art here, dark or not- just a blue filter laid over the top. I really wish they'd stop fiddling with old films just because they can.

sukebanboy
12-08-2012, 11:25 PM
Y I really wish they'd stop fiddling with old films just because they can.

I agree 100%...especially when they don't make the original version available.....Should we hate George Lucas for making this possible?

Richard--W
12-09-2012, 01:36 AM
I don't know what the practice is in your country, Sukebanboy, but here in the USA photographers do get involved in post-production processing, telecine, color timing, and transfers for home video.

The timing is several points darker than it should be and the densities are off-kilter throughout the transfer. Not only is the blu-ray wrong for theatrical, it's wrong for home video.

Dick Ringeisen
12-09-2012, 01:53 AM
I was never that fond of this film, though did find it, "OK". I am glad I didn't pick it up though. If I had known what is known now, I would have still stayed away from it, partially thinking because there would be no resale for it. It's been interesting, that much I'll say, reading some of the stuff from both sides, in favor, and not in favor.

I think it looks pretty awful. Then again, if it's a person's first viewing, I can see how it can be seen as OK. I can't fault a person for that.

It's been very educational, in that how something so different from the original, can be sold, and so many people stick up for it, and though in the minority it seems against it, and yet it still commands big bucks. It makes me wish I bought 6-12 of them for resale.

All I learnt from this, was to never pre-order a Twilight Time DVD or BLU again. Wait for the reviews, as it could be another, "Reimaging" of the original.

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Apronikoff
12-09-2012, 02:24 AM
All I learnt from this, was to never pre-order a Twilight Time DVD or BLU again. Wait for the reviews, as it could be another, "Reimaging" of the original.

I have to say, setting aside opinions on the quality of the disc, this seems like an unjust reaction. Twilight Time doesn't do any scans or re-mastering -- they simply license masters from the studios they have relationships with. They had no say in the decisions about the coloring on this one. So I don't think it's any more likely to happen with a TT release than it is from any major studio release (since it's the major studios that are providing the masters). Moreover, after the outcry, TT began a refund program for those dissatisfied, within days of the release. That's something I'd be surprised to see from a major studio. (I didn't hear anything about refunds on the original French Connection disc, to cite another example of a blu-ray with a changed color scheme the DOP hated)

Even though I disagree, I get why people hate the NOTLD disc. But I honestly don't think it's reasonable to hold that against a small company, with great customer service, that's putting movies out there that otherwise were gonna sit in studio vaults.

Dick Ringeisen
12-09-2012, 02:48 AM
I have to say, setting aside opinions on the quality of the disc, this seems like an unjust reaction. Twilight Time doesn't do any scans or re-mastering -- they simply license masters from the studios they have relationships with. They had no say in the decisions about the coloring on this one. So I don't think it's any more likely to happen with a TT release than it is from any major studio release (since it's the major studios that are providing the masters). Moreover, after the outcry, TT began a refund program for those dissatisfied, within days of the release. That's something I'd be surprised to see from a major studio. (I didn't hear anything about refunds on the original French Connection disc, to cite another example of a blu-ray with a changed color scheme the DOP hated)

Even though I disagree, I get why people hate the NOTLD disc. But I honestly don't think it's reasonable to hold that against a small company, with great customer service, that's putting movies out there that otherwise were gonna sit in studio vaults.

Not totally unjust. I have some DVDs, and 1 BLU from them (Fright Night). I understand they work with what is delivered, but, if I had received a Fright Night in that same tone of color, I would have been a bit pissed. However, fi the resale value was more than double, than, yeah, that would have softened the blow.

Small company or not, I like what they do, but, reviews first. if I miss it, I can do like others did with NOTLD '90, pay for it in normal color, on one of those HD online services; Vudu, Amazon...

Nearly $35 for something I'd not be happy with. No thank you. Reviews first. if the pre-orders are gone before then, oh well, it'll be around again, perhaps not in physical format, but, someplace else, sometime soon if not already there, and later on, physically later.. possibly.

I never cared much for that film to begin with, but if Fright Night had been like that... Resale time!


It was not a minor problem to me, such as a few seconds missing here and there. An entire movie having a big change, wow. It does seem after this Twilight Time mentioned they will put in a bit more quality control, and let people know what is what prior to release.

I just don't like to waste money. A dirty print, audio drop-outs, a few seconds of missing footage, big deal. This mess, ... That's another ballpark, a whole other sport. But, some like it. like I said, if I knew about it before, I would not have bought it. but if I knew people would still want it after that, I would have bought at least a half dozen and pocketed at $$$. I'd undercut other sellers to clear my stock.

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Dick Ringeisen
12-09-2012, 02:56 AM
Another bit. It won't always sit in studio vault. It's remastered for a reason, recolored or not. Physical, streamed, or for cloud ownership. I just know, in these times, spending $35 for something much different than I recall..... How to Beat the High Co$t of Living was on Netflix on HD in a while (Expired 1-DEC), no disc for that yet, but, I know the HD master is out there. That's find for me. Fright Night's Blu is cool, so I'm OK with that. All is good with me, if I get the itch, and I want to see NOTLD '90 in HD, in normal color, I have at least 2 HD online sources, that I know of, I can go through.

Twilight Time did well. They sold out. That was their goal. Before preorder was completed, even! I just became more cautious of them. Nothing wrong with that. As the saying goes, "Buyer Beware".

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Apronikoff
12-09-2012, 02:58 AM
Nearly $35 for something I'd not be happy with. No thank you. Reviews first. if the pre-orders are gone before then, oh well, it'll be around again, perhaps not in physical format, but, someplace else, sometime soon if not already there, and later on, physically later.. possibly.


Sure, definitely. It sucks to get a burned on a disc that doesn't live up to your expectations. I certainly wasn't trying to convince you should be satisfied with the disc. I'm not even gonna go there. :haha:

But to my way of thinking, the fact that TT offered full refunds, and made it clear that in the future they'd be reviewing all masters and making announcements about any unusual attributes...that all made me MORE likely to pre-order from TT not LESS.

Anyway, what you do with your money is your business. I just felt like sticking up for TT since it struck me that they handled the situation really well.

Dick Ringeisen
12-09-2012, 03:11 AM
Satisfied with the Disc? I never bought it, just saw some of it.

Refunds? Why refund it when you could sell it online and at least double your money? I hope Twilight Time doesn't count on that forever. Then again, there are millions of collectors of any and everything out there...

TT is OK with me, good in my books, just after this, I moved them to the, "Wait and see" category. Basically, I will read reviews first.

Come to think of it, it is nearing 4:30 in the AM, it may be time for "Perspectives" t air. Mind me, the mention of, "How to Beat the The High Co$t of Living" and watching nearly 20 year old SNL has my mind in that zone now...

Perspectives was a repetitive skit, but, it suits the AM mood.