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Horace Cordier
10-18-2012, 07:38 PM
Ah - the English.

Nothing is quite as entertaining as a properly outraged left-leaning Brit confronted with a homegrown piece of reactionary entertainment like WHO DARES WINS, THE WILD GEESE or HARRY BROWN. The thread title comes from one hilariously unglued reviewer over on Amazon UK discussing WHO DARES WINS and it's preposterous plot centering around crazed no-nukes terrorists being hunted by Lewis Collin's cut rate James Bond. THE WILD GEESE of course is amazing for being quite racist but in such a muddle-headed "Rule Britannia" way that its impossible to get actually worked up about it. It also has a cast full of some of both the greatest actors and drunks in cinema history. And any movie that has Richard Burton, Richard Harris AND Roger Moore in it where no one died from alcohol poisoning on the set has achieved something incredible right off the bat.

The Americans have RAMBO, the MISSING IN ACTION TRILOGY and DIRTY HARRY. The Italians have STREET LAW and the Maurizio Merli canon. So lets have some more distinctly British, un-pc and thoroughly conservative films. I'm looking for some favorites of members out there.


Call it the Margret Thatcher approved film list.

The Silly Swede
10-18-2012, 07:58 PM
Does it surprise anyone that I own all the limey films mentioned above on DVD?

Ian Jane
10-19-2012, 09:47 AM
The only one I have is The Wild Geese but it's a great movie and I'd be down with watching more in the same vein.

Andrew Monroe
10-19-2012, 12:28 PM
I'm having a hard time coming up with titles that fit the bill here. I loved HARRY BROWN and THE WILD GEESE but I'm hard pressed to think of others. I almost mentioned SITTING TARGET but it's not a reactionary film at all.

Barry M
10-19-2012, 02:21 PM
I just picked up a used copy of OUTLAW. It looks like it might fit, judging by some IMDB reviews (http://Coming back from a war (it's not specified which one) and finding his wife has shacked up with someone else, Sean Bean is disillusioned with everything and, together with a group of similarly disheartened men, forms a vigilante group to beat up and kill paedophiles, drug dealers and other criminals who have either been acquitted or not charged. Bean is clearly playing a Travis Bickle role, with the rest of the gang in some sort of 'Fight Club'. Whereas no attempt was made to create a hero of Travis Bickle in 'Taxi Driver', Love obviously feels that vigilante groups are a great idea and that the solution to Britain's problems is through lynchings and IRA-style punishment beatings.):


It isn't just that it's morally skewed – though it is, horribly (while the heroes start out merely beating criminals, they soon end up hanging them and then shooting at the police, and we're still expected to regard them as heroes), but the overall execution is appalling.


Simply, as explained in a prolonged rant that resembles a 'Daily Mail' editorial penned by Death Wish's Paul Kersey, they want to get rid of "the paedophiles, the scum, the dealers, the prostitutes."



Incredibly poorly-made quasi-fascist garbage, this is one of the worst British films to be released for a very long time. Ostensibly posing questions about the state of law and order in the UK, the only real question asked by this movie is what on earth is Sean Bean doing appearing in it and who did the producers (all 38 of 'em!) have to blow to cast him?


Coming back from a war (it's not specified which one) and finding his wife has shacked up with someone else, Sean Bean is disillusioned with everything and, together with a group of similarly disheartened men, forms a vigilante group to beat up and kill paedophiles, drug dealers and other criminals who have either been acquitted or not charged. Bean is clearly playing a Travis Bickle role, with the rest of the gang in some sort of 'Fight Club'. Whereas no attempt was made to create a hero of Travis Bickle in 'Taxi Driver', Love obviously feels that vigilante groups are a great idea and that the solution to Britain's problems is through lynchings and IRA-style punishment beatings.

Horace Cordier
10-19-2012, 02:52 PM
OUTLAW sounds awesome.

Paul L
10-19-2012, 04:44 PM
OUTLAW would fit the bill. Even better is the crazy commentary on the UK DVD, with Nick Love and Danny Fackin' Dyer doing their best Derek and Clive impersonations:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5h9ZPBuBEs

Nick Love's new THE SWEENEY film, with Ray Winstone and Ben ('Plan B, innit') Drew. I watched it at the cinema a couple of weeks ago; it's trash of the highest order. Has this been released outside the UK yet?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoYiikdxGR8

Paul L
10-19-2012, 04:51 PM
Here's another recent one that I've just remembered, although I thought it was a cut above the likes of OUTLAW (except for, IIRC, a ridiculous attempt to overcomplicate the plot towards the end of the film):
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81XbWFuXJAL._AA1500_.jpg

A year or two ago, there was also a shocking adaptation of Ken Bruen's BLITZ with the Stath and Paddy Considine:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81MfNkOxD1L._AA1500_.jpg

The Silly Swede
10-19-2012, 07:15 PM
I own all of those on DVD to, cept the sweeney cause it aint out yet. I guess I must confess to actually liking these english perverts. A lot. And yes, The Sweeney will be bought on DVD as soon as it becomes available.

I Felt both Outlaw and The Veteran were a notch below the classics mentioned in the first post. Blitz was better, but still felt like one of Jason Stathams most un-statham movies.

Richard--W
10-19-2012, 08:31 PM
I'm fond of Peter Yates' ROBBERY (1967) a classic British crime film, it's all business, and feels very current to me.

Does anyone remember NORTH SEA HIJACK aka FFOLKES ?

An atypical role for Roger Moore, who gives a memorable performance.

Dave Starry
10-19-2012, 10:10 PM
Does anyone remember NORTH SEA HIJACK aka FFOLKES ?

An atypical role for Roger Moore, who gives a memorable performance.

Oil Rig!

Barry M
10-19-2012, 10:22 PM
Sold!

Dom D
10-20-2012, 05:39 PM
That Outlaw commentary track is magnificent! Listened to it 3 or 4 times already and will return to it shortly. "1976 Taxi Driver came out. Got cunted." Got cunted to the tune of a half dozen Oscar noms as I recall but good point chaps.

Horace Cordier
10-21-2012, 12:02 AM
Here's another recent one that I've just remembered, although I thought it was a cut above the likes of OUTLAW (except for, IIRC, a ridiculous attempt to overcomplicate the plot towards the end of the film):
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81XbWFuXJAL._AA1500_.jpg

A year or two ago, there was also a shocking adaptation of Ken Bruen's BLITZ with the Stath and Paddy Considine:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81MfNkOxD1L._AA1500_.jpg

Jesus! That OUTLAW commentary is a thing of utter beauty. Just picked up both OUTLAW and THE VETERAN on Blu from Amazon UK for dirt cheap prices based on this awesome thread. As for BLITZ - I picked that one up after catching it on Netflix. I love the film. I really enjoy Statham's interactions with Considine's gay cop. Statham's "Did you interfere with me?" line is hysterical. BLITZ is also extremely "English" with Gillen almost channeling Johnny Rotten as the scumbag villain.

The Silly Swede
10-21-2012, 08:00 AM
Does anyone remember NORTH SEA HIJACK aka FFOLKES ?

An atypical role for Roger Moore, who gives a memorable performance.

Fuck yeas! A classic! Roger Moore as a women hating gay man whom lives with about a dozen cats. Hilarious shit. To bad the mission in itself is not as spectactular as the Moore role. But yeah. A damn good film anyhow.

Horace Cordier
12-07-2012, 07:07 PM
Well I have now watched OUTLAW on a spiffy UK Blu ray.

Risible extremist crap loaded with obnoxious shaky cam and utterly incoherent plotting and good old Sean Beano slumming in the shit film ghetto with gusto.

Tons of fun in other words.

And the commentary track is awesomely tasteless and riveting. I particularly enjoyed the discourse on Helen Mirren's breasts.

Next up? THE VETERAN.

Rule Britannia!!!!

Paul L
12-07-2012, 07:11 PM
I reckon THE VETERAN, clumsy conspiracy plotting aside, is miles ahead of the Nick Love pack.

Speaking of which, Nick Love's 'geezer-tastic'* ( :sarcasm smiley: ) THE SWEENEY is out on DVD and the Blu-thing in January. Note the now requisite untruth from Rupert Murdoch's spawn of Satan trash-tabloid THE SUN on the front cover. Mind you, by default it might very well be the 'best British action film in years' - we don't make that many, do we?!?:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81AwGPz7oxL._AA1500_.jpg

*I'm surprised one of the lads' mags hasn't coined this term yet... or have they? It's the kind of phrase that usually ends up on these DVD covers.

Paul L
12-07-2012, 07:16 PM
Helen Mirren's breasts.
Worthy of a commentary track, or a miniseries of documentaries, in and of themselves.

Sadly, they don't make an appearance in THE OUTLAW, do they? (THE OUTLAW: bit of a Freudian slip there - I meant OUTLAW, of course, but was flashing back to the Howard Hughes film and Jane Russell.) Can you briefly remind me what Love et al say about Ms Mirren, Horace?

Horace Cordier
12-07-2012, 07:25 PM
Worthy of a commentary track, or a miniseries of documentaries, in and of themselves.

Sadly, they don't make an appearance in THE OUTLAW, do they? (THE OUTLAW: bit of a Freudian slip there - I meant OUTLAW, of course, but was flashing back to the Howard Hughes film and Jane Russell.) Can you briefly remind me what Love et al say about Ms Mirren, Horace?

Right at the end they just start babbling, out of nowhere, about working with her on something or other and how wonderful a person she is - and how great her tits are. It's bizarre.

The best part is their awesome cockney rage at the critics.

Richard--W
12-07-2012, 08:10 PM
OUTLAW and THE SWEENEY sound like it they might be worth a watch.

Weren't there a couple of features spun off THE SWEENEY series in the 1970s?


When I saw LAYER CAKE the first time I thought this Daniel Craig would make a formidable foe for Pierce Brosnan in the next Bond film. We all know how wrong that went.

So, Peter Yates' ROBBERY isn't rabid Tory gun porn? nor Hodges' GET CARTER? nor THE LONG GOOD FRIDAY nor A PRAYER FOR THE DYING nor MONA LISA? nor LAYER CAKE? I guess I need to catch up with these newer films you guys are ejaculating over. One can't study the British in their natural habitat without watching the latest in rabid Tory gun porn.

Paul L
12-07-2012, 09:04 PM
There were indeed two SWEENEY films in the 1970s, Richard.

Yates' ROBBERY and Hodges' films are certainly tough British crime pictures, but they're not reactionary in the sense that a film like OUTLAW is. I think what Horace was looking for were films that feature both hyperbolic gun violence and a reactionary perspective (eg, the promotion of vigilantism). What I've often found interesting about GET CARTER is how much the promotional materials show Caine wielding a pump action shotgun, but in actuality the film sees him sport his brother's old double barreled shotgun, a rural hunting gun. The realism of that approach to the crime genre, which underscores the naturalism of Hodges' (a former documentarian) approach, in opposition to the outrageous hyperbole of the Nick Love films, speaks volumes about the extremes in British society, you could argue.

Richard--W
12-08-2012, 07:11 AM
Got it. Thanks for the explanation, Paul.

As an aside, were The Sweeney features as good as the program? were they made-for-tv or theatrical? If the program weren't so pricey over here I'd have looked into it by now.

Paul L
12-08-2012, 10:30 AM
The two SWEENEY films were pretty good, Richard. The first was much better than the second (in my opinion, of course). They both had cinema releases over here. There's a decent double-bill DVD release from Optimum, which can be bought quite cheaply: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sweeney-Movie-Collection-DVD/dp/B000L42MWE/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1354977013&sr=1-1

The first series of the programme has been released on Blu-ray in the UK and looks very good. It's £30 on Amazon, which isn't a bad price.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Sweeney-Complete-Series-Blu-ray/dp/B0085UDHDE/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1354976916&sr=8-5

Horace Cordier
01-24-2013, 06:39 PM
Well it looks like Love's THE SWEENEY has been released to scathing reviews that may even best the vitriol directed at OUTLAW!

Needless to say I will be ordering the steel book Blu shortly.

Paul L
01-24-2013, 07:09 PM
Well it looks like Love's THE SWEENEY has been released to scathing reviews that may even best the vitriol directed at OUTLAW!

Needless to say I will be ordering the steel book Blu shortly.
Good man! You'll love it, Horace. (Or, should I say, in character: 'You'll fackin' laarv it, 'orace, innit?')

The Silly Swede
01-25-2013, 08:34 AM
But will I love it Paul? HMMM? (And in my response, pleace write in phonetic Scouse)

Paul L
01-25-2013, 10:27 AM
But will I love it Paul? HMMM? (And in my response, pleace write in phonetic Scouse)
Aye, yer'll leirve it, leiccche, ya erl' scally!

The Silly Swede
01-25-2013, 10:50 AM
Good. I have it pre-ordered.

Horace Cordier
02-26-2013, 01:34 PM
Uh oh. THE SWEENEY has arrived!

In steel!

The Silly Swede
02-26-2013, 02:01 PM
My Sweeney has arrived also. But more in a cheap no-frills release.

Horace Cordier
02-26-2013, 02:08 PM
You've been out-badassed Swede!

The Silly Swede
02-26-2013, 05:31 PM
You've been out-badassed Swede!

Yes, it would appear my inherent cheapness has bitten me in the arse on this occasion!

The Silly Swede
02-28-2013, 08:24 PM
So I just saw this here new rendering of The Sweeney, and uh.... well.... wtf? The film litteraly has no plot. It is all hard cockney cops vs. hard ruthless criminals. There are a few sex scenes in there, but since no character have any depth they feel very tacked on. Also... the non-existant plot doesnt even follow any form of cop movie logic. I dont wanna spoil this for anyone, but rest assured, the plot is not poor or cliché, it just is not present at all.

Nick Love, please stop playing cops and robbers, and get back to doing proper hooligan or gangster films.

Paul L
02-28-2013, 10:21 PM
So I just saw this here new rendering of The Sweeney, and uh.... well.... wtf? The film litteraly has no plot. It is all hard cockney cops vs. hard ruthless criminals. There are a few sex scenes in there, but since no character have any depth they feel very tacked on. Also... the non-existant plot doesnt even follow any form of cop movie logic.
It's a bizarre film, indeed. Getting the lovely Hayley Atwell in bed with the mildly grotesque Ray Winstone (and I say that in the fondest way, as I love our Ray) is, bizarrely, one of the least wacky things about the film. But those action sequences! My, they're carefully crafted - even if that shootout through Trafalgar Square completely ignores the geography of London and turns the city into some sort of interior landscape. Let it simmer, and you'll want to check it out again, Chris. It's a strange one, the very definition of 'guilty pleasure' - like Love's OUTLAW, which on a rational level I know is utter bunkum, but which I keep finding myself returning too.

The other thing about THE SWEENEY that's odd is just how good the score is.

The Silly Swede
03-01-2013, 07:16 AM
The other thing about THE SWEENEY that's odd is just how good the score is.

The score was great indeed. But the film just made no sense what so ever. I would have liked it if they included any kind of plot, you know.

Horace Cordier
03-04-2013, 03:53 PM
I watched this over the weekend and loved the crap out of it.

Brutally violent and grotesquely entertaining THE SWEENEY sees Love fulfilling the all-guns blazing tasteless promise of OUTLAW. With its hyperkinetic camerawork and 70's era fascist political outlook this one surely caused a massive rash of SCANNERS-style head explosions in the pointy-headed liberal establishment in the UK. I can quite easily picture the offices of the Guardian in flames.

Yes indeed the movie has no plot (or a horrifically muddled one at best) but with this level of balls-out commitment to mayhem on display who gives a damn? And Ray Winstone is simply awesome here. He charges through this thing like a rampaging water buffalo with a sex drive. This copper truly enjoys beating the hell out of suspects and playing with fire by screwing the wife of an internal affairs officer investigating him - and that woman is on his squad to boot.

And maybe I'm aging into a real pervy bastard but I thought the very sexy Hayley Atwell and Winstone were kinda hot together. She's a badass chick that likes 'ard men. Sure Ray makes Bronson look like Orlando Bloom but he has some formidable animal appeal.

I also love how THE SWEENEY is so resolutely and unforgivably BRITISH. The nonstop assault of cockney slang and quirky Anglocentric dialog is refreshing. Use the subs or keep up lazy Americans.

Rule Britannia indeed. I salute you Mr. Love. Come back soon!

The Silly Swede
03-05-2013, 08:57 AM
The nonstop assault of cockney slang and quirky Anglocentric dialog is refreshing. Use the subs or keep up lazy Americans.



If you like this, you should watch the bet365 commercials with Ray Winstone, which bombard my TV every time I watch a game of footy! It is so super-macho cockney that I think they distract viewers from gambling away their money since they are all so shocked by how chav one can possibly be, and still appear on TV.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDqsbzV5MQE

He has done like 10-15 of these of various cockney-ness. So Horamce, are you gonna go online and lose some money now?

Horace Cordier
03-05-2013, 11:49 AM
I'd happily buy whatever Ray is selling IF I could understand a bloody word he's fookin' saying.

Paul L
03-06-2013, 08:49 AM
I've never seen those Winstone commercials. Then again, I don't think adverts for gambling are permitted on UK television. (I may be behind the times on this though, as I always believed adverts for alcoholic drinks weren't allowed until after the watershed, but recently I've seen a few of those on during the daytime.) They're probably only screened in cinemas over here, if at all.

EDIT. I'm wrong. Apparently these have been shown on UK television. Maybe it's a regional thing?

There's an article about them here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2010/dec/04/hard-sell-bet365-ray-winstone

Now, where's ya fackin' tool?

Paul L
03-06-2013, 08:51 AM
And maybe I'm aging into a real pervy bastard but I thought the very sexy Hayley Atwell and Winstone were kinda hot together. She's a badass chick that likes 'ard men. Sure Ray makes Bronson look like Orlando Bloom but he has some formidable animal appeal.
I was joking about this earlier, but I can see the appeal of Winstone, and in real life you see these kinds of pairings; it's just so unusual on the big screen. It reminds me of the end of the first season of NYPD BLUE when the producers thought it was a good idea to show Dennis Franz's rotund posterior as he advanced on Sharon Lawrence - perhaps justified in a narrative context, but so unpredictable as to be bizarre.

EDIT. Did I imagine it, or was there a Larry David-esque staredown between Winstone and Ben Drew at one point in this film?

Horace Cordier
03-06-2013, 12:24 PM
Not sure - I think so though Paul.

I'll check later - any excuse to revisit THE SWEENEY!

Paul L
05-06-2013, 05:20 PM
I love the potty-mouthed commentary for Love's THE SWEENEY - not quite on par with the bizarro Dyer-Love combo commentary for OUTLAW, but pretty close. ('I wanted to make part of the film not full of action', Love comments during one of the scenes set in the Flying Squad offices. Later: 'My memories of sports days were [...] kids getting touched up round the back'. Love wanted the film to be 'ultra postmodern'. 'We had meetings where we just sat around talking. I've never done that on a film before', etc, etc. The man's full of wit and wisdom :biggrin: )

Horace Cordier
05-06-2013, 05:41 PM
Love is a true auteur.

And no - I'm not kidding.

The Silly Swede
05-06-2013, 05:48 PM
He is. He is the cockney auteur.