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Ian Jane
11-21-2012, 02:51 PM
So with the Slow News Day thread turning into a hair metal love fest, it's time to split it off.

As mentioned, I saw Warrant with Cinderella, Slaughter and the Bullet Boys.

I also saw Warrant on a bill with Aerosmith, The Black Crowes and Metallica, which was weird.

I saw Skid Row open for Aerosmith on Aerosmith's PUMP tour and loved every minute of it. It was also the first time I saw real boobs when the girl behind me was kind enough to release the hostages for Sebastian Bach during Skid Row's set.

At one point in my life I owned everything Stryper had ever recorded.

I once had a Poison t-shirt that I wore with no shame and still consider myself a fan of their first three albums.

In 3rd grade I had a Motley Crue 'Theater Of Pain' button that I found on the playground. I liked Crue cause of the Smokin' In The Boys room video. It had a pentagram on it and I wore it and got in trouble with my mom so then I drew the Crue logo WITH the damn pentagram on my pencil case. Take that mom!

My step-brother once filled in for the guitarist in Ugly Kid Joe. Remember them? He also took vocal lessons from the guy in Helix. I was kinda jealous of this, actually.

I like Animalize a lot.

When Def Leppard was touring for Hysteria they played Buffalo. Tickets went on sale while I was to be in school, I knew they'd sell out. I told my mom that I needed to get out of school early to get tickets and she wouldn't let me. When school ended she drove me to the mall, the damn show was sold out. I was so upset that she took me to the record store and bought me a triangular Def Leppard logo patch that she then sewed onto the back of my jean jacket. I wore that thing until I outgrew it and can still sing along to every single song on Hysteria without messing up a word.

This is not my jacket but it more or less looked like this.

Scott
11-21-2012, 03:04 PM
I like Animalize a lot.

This was the first KISS album I owned. My uncle had all their early albums and got me into them, so I asked my mom if she would buy me one and after work one day she came home with the ANIMALIZE cassette. I loved it.

I don't listen to KISS anymore but I do still like Strutter.

Roderick
11-21-2012, 03:05 PM
I was a punk rock kid from early on so I turned up my nose to most metal unless it was thrash or pretended to be satanic. But I did have a secret appreciation for Cinderella and to a much lesser extent Poison because they were so stupid and on occasion CC sounded a little bit like Steve Jones.

Apronikoff
11-21-2012, 03:28 PM
In 3rd grade I had a Motley Crue 'Theater Of Pain' button that I found on the playground. I liked Crue cause of the Smokin' In The Boys room video. It had a pentagram on it and I wore it and got in trouble with my mom so then I drew the Crue logo WITH the damn pentagram on my pencil case. Take that mom!

I was raised in a ridiculously strict/conservative Christian denomination (I love to freak people out with the story of the demented church camp I went to...lol), so around about the time I turned 13 I rebelled hard against all that in every way I could think of. Thankfully the dangerous/criminal aspects of that rebellion were short-lived. What lasted longer was my fascination with metal and "satanism."

My pastor had a bunch of pamphlets warning against the dangers of all the hidden satanic messages in metal music. Rather than convince me that heavy metal was dangerous -- those pamphlets told me how awesome that stuff was...haha. In the little Texas town I was living in, there was no place to buy music except for Wal-Mart so I couldn't be picky -- anything that seemed like it might be dangerous or rebellious I lapped up. So, whereas before this I'd only ever owned movie soundtracks, now I started buying a wide assortment of hard rock/heavy metal music with no discrimination between good and bad. It just had to be popular enough to be found in a Wal-Mart. So I got Metallica, Guns and Roses, Motley Crue, Anthrax, Megadeth, Faith no More, AC/DC, Danzig, White Zombie, Misfits, Type O Negative, Slaughter, Life of Agony, Ugly Kid Joe, Jackyl, Ministry, Nine Inch Nails all in the same time period (91-93.)

And of course I wanted the world to know how rebellious and cool I was (who wouldn't!) :haha: I drew pentagrams and upside down crosses all over my textbook covers. More monumentally, I cobbled together a "metal" wardrobe out of whatever I could find at the nearest mall, Six Flags (!) and Wal-Mart and convince my mother to let me buy/wear. So I had a gigantic skull ring, a variety of rock shirts (my favorite was my Metallica "Ride the Lightning" T-shirt that I bought from a mail-order company I found in Guitar World magazine), and combat boots that I tucked my jeans into. Thankfully my mother was too embarrassed to take any photos of me in this era, so no records exist of my ridiculousness.

Given that prior to this I had been such a quiet, bookish boy -- a good Christian and straight-A student -- pretty much everybody I knew decided that I'd had a stroke or been possessed. I had "talking to's" from the deacons of my church, my vice-principal, various aunts, even some of my friends who hadn't joined me on the highway to hell. Good times.

The live music highlight of this era was seeing the Guns and Roses/Metallica tour at Texas Stadium in 1992. Metallica put on a pretty badass show, even with Hetfield out of commission as guitarist. The GnR show, however, ended my infatuation with that band. Axl Rose was such a pathetic, whiny little turd that I never really listened to them again after that...

Andrew Monroe
11-21-2012, 03:35 PM
By the time the hair metal bands came along I was more into punk and thrash so I pretty much hated them all. I did like Def Leppard's On Through The Night album - saw them on that tour. They opened for Scorpions (Animal Magnetism tour) and Ted Nugent (Scream Dream). They were much more NWOBHM at that point. Wasted is a great song. One hair band I liked some was Europe, mainly because the guitar player, John Norum, played a very melodic style ala Blackmore and Schenker. Got The Final Countdown for my birthday when it came out and played the hell out of it. I still like the 2 albums that came out prior to that one, they were much heavier, particularly the first one which had a song about THE BEYOND on it! Way before that was cool.

I liked plenty of goofy metal bands back in the early 80s though (and still like some of 'em). I've mentioned Faithful Breath before, the music was very Accept style German metal but they looked hilarious. April Wine was a band I liked a fair amount. Nature Of The Beast was a particular fav, Crash And Burn was actually a pretty heavy song but overall a huge waste of 3 (!) guitar players. Warlord was one of those bands that take themselves oh-so-seriously and had a drummer who makes the term "busy" seem lethargic.

Ian Jane
11-21-2012, 03:48 PM
No shame in On Through The Night, Andrew. It's a pretty good record on legit terms.

Apro - we're cut from a similar cloth. My mom & dad were both pretty religious as I was growing up. Though my grandfather was a minister he also got me into horror movies and was a very accepting type, cool with letting me be a kid and be into the type of stuff that I was going to be into, this usually had a trickle down effect on my mom. My dad, however, came from a much more conservative family and while most of the time he'd be okay with what he knew I was listening to, there was a lot of stuff I hid from both him and my mother.

I remember that one of the church's in town had a 'Know what evil music your kids are listening to' night and that my dad dragged me to it to make me aware how a lot of this stuff would damn my soul. It was the typical type of presentation you'd expect to be delivered by someone with a strange agenda - Highway To Hell album covers as proof that we'd all turn into pagans for listening to AC/DC, stuff like that.

When the presentation was over we were invited to ask the speaker questions and I asked him if it was okay to listen to Phil Collins and if listening to Phil Collins would send me to Hell or not. No Jacket Required had just come out and it was pretty hot stuff. He told me that while Phil Collins' music might seem innocent enough it was actually very sexual and not appropriate for someone my age or any good Christian for that matter.

The eighties were pretty stupid in a lot of ways.

Oh and my dad took me to see Petra when I was a kid. All I remember about the show was that they had keytars and parachute pants and that the show was at the Darian Lake amusement park in upstate New York and I was stoked because they had roller coasters there.

Todd Jordan
11-21-2012, 03:48 PM
Bleeding over from the Slow News thread....I do not love White Lion.

I like lots of hair crap, but its one song here, one song there. I got into thrash around 1984, pretty early on, due to hanging out with older kids and an older brother's influence. To me, hair bands were always suckbags and fake, but most of them pumped out at least a good song or two.

Other than a couple of Whitesnake albums (love listening to John Sykes play guitar) and the Scorpions, in all honesty I never bought into any of the MTV "metal".

Not really a very good contribution to the thread.

Ian Jane
11-21-2012, 03:51 PM
Bleeding over from the Slow News thread....I do not love White Lion.

Except that you sing Little Fighter and in your head it's about your dog. Isn't that what you told me?

I think that qualifies.

Todd Jordan
11-21-2012, 03:53 PM
Darian Lake amusement park in upstate New York and I was stoked because they had roller coasters there.

I've been there...nice big wooden roller coaster.

Def Leppard is one of the bands I hated as a youth, and I still don't like them, but I can appreciate them. Wasted is a great tune. I always liked Photograph too, but for me all their stuff sounded the same.

Todd Jordan
11-21-2012, 03:54 PM
Except that you sing Little Fighter and in your head it's about your dog. Isn't that what you told me?

I think that qualifies.

I don't recall the dog thing. I do like the song though. I have it. Hate that singer though.

But I could have said that about the dog. Wouldn't put it past me. You and I have shared a few moments of drunken bliss together.

Andrew Monroe
11-21-2012, 05:15 PM
Other than a couple of Whitesnake albums (love listening to John Sykes play guitar) and the Scorpions, in all honesty I never bought into any of the MTV "metal".



Not to derail the thread too much, but I liked Sykes too. He was in Tygers Of Pan Tang and then played on a good Thin Lizzy album - Thunder and Lightning and the live one. I didn't like the idea of him singing for Lizzy when they toured this past decade though, there is no Thin Lizzy w/o Lynott (and yet another version of the band is recording a new album now) and I heard the live album they released...they metalled up the older songs too much.

Ian Jane
11-21-2012, 05:29 PM
I caught some live footage on the Palladium channel of Thin Lizzy with Sykes fronting, and you're right, it didn't do it for me.

On an embarrassing metal you love note, I remember getting dumped by my girlfriend of two weeks right around the time Bon Jovi's You Give Love A Bad Name hit the big time. Man did that song ever speak to me. Teared me up a little bit a few times listening to it over and over again on my Sony Walkman into the late hours of the night. But then Born To Be My Baby would come on and then there'd be hope for my broken heart.

I was eleven and probably, on a technical level at least, suffering from some sort of mental illness.

Andrew Monroe
11-21-2012, 05:46 PM
I have very bittersweet memories of You Give Love...too, Ian. I was with the lass who was probably to this day the love of my life. It was a good point in the relationship when that song was huge and I used to mess with her, she'd be in the bathroom getting ready to go out or something and I would jump in the doorway and yell "shot thru the heart...." haha. Would have to peel her off the ceiling. Had and have some terrific relationships but she was THE ONE.

Roderick
11-21-2012, 06:04 PM
Whenever my brother and I heard that song we used to change the lyrics to:

Shot to the balls
And you're in pain...

Roderick
11-21-2012, 06:08 PM
I always used to call them Bon Scroti due to a GWAR shirt I had. It's hard to see in this picture, but the "before" guy in panel two is wearing a Bon Scroti shirt.

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Ian Jane
11-21-2012, 06:30 PM
Andrew, we should go to Bon Jovi therapy or something.

Apronikoff
11-21-2012, 06:46 PM
Andrew, we should go to Bon Jovi therapy or something.

Whatever. My Bon Jovi story is WAY more embarrassing than either of yours. At least yours have girls in them. lol

I was 12 when the song "Blaze of Glory" came out. I had never listened to Bon Jovi before, but I saw Young Guns 2, and as previously mentioned I was way into soundtrack music. I liked the song so much, I made an all "Blaze of Glory" mixtape which I listened to on more than one occasion.

Ian Jane
11-21-2012, 08:18 PM
Just Blaze of Glory over and over again on both sides of the tape?

When that song came out there was the video that got played constantly. I loved it. My sister, however, did not because of the shot where the horses are on the screen and it catches fire. She took this to meant that Bon Jovi had burned a bunch of horses for the video and it made her cry. Now my sister is quite bright, but this was pretty dumb...

Ian Jane
11-21-2012, 08:18 PM
Also when I worked at Arby's one day I went to work in an altered state and carved the Bon Jovi logo into the cutting board.

Apronikoff
11-21-2012, 08:34 PM
Just Blaze of Glory over and over again on both sides of the tape?

Yes. Over, and over again...


When that song came out there was the video that got played constantly. I loved it. My sister, however, did not because of the shot where the horses are on the screen and it catches fire. She took this to meant that Bon Jovi had burned a bunch of horses for the video and it made her cry. Now my sister is quite bright, but this was pretty dumb...

That reminds me of when I was in high school and the girl I was dating got absolutely livid one day over this Cure video she saw where the band was wearing some kind of tiger-skin outfits. I had to explain that it was highly unlikely that The Cure had hunted down and killed a group of tigers for their video.

Ian Jane
11-21-2012, 08:38 PM
Yes. Over, and over again...

That's kind of weird.


That reminds me of when I was in high school and the girl I was dating got absolutely livid one day over this Cure video she saw where the band was wearing some kind of tiger-skin outfits. I had to explain that it was highly unlikely that The Cure had hunted down and killed a group of tigers for their video.

That's also kind of weird.

Todd Jordan
11-21-2012, 09:38 PM
John Sykes....don't forget about Blue Murder. I think that band gets overlooked too often. I think that if they were a few years earlier, they'd have been bigger. They came out when all that hair shit was at the end of its run and that was too bad. Good stuff.

Todd Jordan
11-21-2012, 09:39 PM
And Bon Jovi eats a big dick. I hope you guys realize that now. You got a pass for when you were 11, but that ended long ago.

ZoSo
11-21-2012, 11:59 PM
Bonham's first album rocked. The second, not so good.

I like a lot of hair metal. I'm a Ratt fan.

Not a Warrant or Poison fan. To me they were all image and no substance.

Darien Lake has a Christian festival every year called Kingdom Bound (I Think). I bet Petra was during that. The singer of Petra used to be a drug addict and sing in the band Head East. (Never Been Any Reason)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_yMLL-K3Fk

Marshall Crist
11-22-2012, 12:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5pDWFLMykM

Andrew Monroe
11-22-2012, 08:47 AM
John Sykes....don't forget about Blue Murder. I think that band gets overlooked too often. I think that if they were a few years earlier, they'd have been bigger. They came out when all that hair shit was at the end of its run and that was too bad. Good stuff.

I probably would have liked Blue Murder a lot if they had come along a few years earlier but at the time I was much more interested in thrash and punk. Same deal with Badlands, another band that was probably better than most of their contemporaries. Sykes kicked out some boffo solos on that Thunder and Lightning album, and Cold Sweat is just a killer fucking song.

I liked Ratt well enough, Zoso. They had an edge most of the hair bands didn't. And Warren De Pina Colada was a good guitar player.

Ian Jane
11-22-2012, 10:13 AM
I can get into Ratt if I'm in the right mood. They're pretty fun.

Todd Jordan
11-22-2012, 11:54 AM
Same deal with Badlands, another band that was probably better than most of their contemporaries.

Yeah good call. There are a few bands that got swallowed up and cast aside in the late 80s that I think would have been bigger if not for the glut of shit that came out daily. A case of hairspray, some eye liner, and flamboyant clothing < talent. Although there are plenty of bands that subscribed to that formula that did have some talent. As much as Skid Row was a sissy band, Sebastian Bach has pipes, really had them back then, and they put out some heavy stuff. They could have been much more. But the ballads and the prettiness took precedence for sales of course so they get lumped into the hair bands.

Another band that needs to be in here....Loudness. The guitar player was incredible, but the lyrics were shit. "Wock and Woll Cwazee Niiiiieeeiiights! You are the heeewo!" Ugh...terrible. Saw them with Stryper and TNT...it was an awful show, no one was there, and it was free to me. But that guitar player tore it up.

Someone mentioned Jackyl...a band that made me angry when they played on the radio.

Ian Jane
11-22-2012, 11:57 AM
Jackyl had the chainsaw, right? I thought they were annoying.

I'm with you on Skid Row. As corny as they could be they were good live and that second album was actually pretty heavy.

Todd Jordan
11-22-2012, 12:00 PM
The song Slave To the Grind is nearly thrash. They have a third album (name escapes me) that was even heavier than Slave. They just came out at the wrong time.

Ian Jane
11-22-2012, 12:10 PM
They actually have five albums - after Slave came Subhuman Race (which was good) and then Thickskin and Revolutions Per Minute, neither of which I've ever heard.

Todd Jordan
11-22-2012, 07:13 PM
Subhuman Race...thats the one. The other two were with another singer weren't they? I've not heard either.

What about Zebra? Any love for them? Or Fastway? Chequered Past? Grim Reaper? Rough Cutt? All shit but with a song or two to remember them by.

ZoSo
11-22-2012, 10:53 PM
SEE YOU IN HELL MY FRIEND!!!!!!!!!

Todd Jordan
11-22-2012, 11:40 PM
heh heh! Drummer went on to be in Tesla. Love Song anyone? That should be considered and embarrassing song. Any "metal" tune with the word love in it should be listed in this thread. Aint metal.


I like Love Song.

ZoSo
11-23-2012, 01:38 AM
Tesla is good, and a bunch of really nice dudes too.

Andrew Monroe
11-23-2012, 08:51 AM
What about Zebra? Any love for them? Or Fastway? Chequered Past? Grim Reaper?

I have a Zebra album, can't remember the name of it but it was their big one I guess, when they had a video on MTV. It's okay, that dude's vocals (Randy Jackson I think) are a little too high pitched for me (said the King Diamond fan). Fastway - meh, first album was pretty decent. I expected Fast Eddie's post-Motorhead band to be a hell of a lot heavier. Grim Reaper - again, first album was okay (I won this from a radio station) but there was a distinct whiff of cheese coming off of it. I know it's very highly regarded in some circles.

Ian Jane
11-23-2012, 10:01 AM
I like Love Song.

I'll wave a Bic Lighter in the air and sing along to that one any day.

Remember their cover of Signs? It wasn't so good.

Todd Jordan
11-23-2012, 07:36 PM
No it wasn't, and it ushered in all that unplugged stuff that got old fast. How about Dokken? I like a bunch of thier tunes, but the yare probably worthy of being in this thread. It's Not Love is a great tune, except it says love in it. And the Freddy Kruger song was per-rity gay. I have it though. "We're the Dream Warrioooooooooooors....ain't gonna dream no more"...peeyew...blast that while driving down the boulevard. Probably get laughed at.

Ian Jane
11-24-2012, 11:08 AM
Ha, we were talking about Dokken last night and the consensus was that they aren't very good or very interesting - which seems to be my impression of them when I was a kid. I never got into them. I tried, because of the whole NOES 3 connection, but they never clicked with me.

On a semi-Dokken related note though, when I lived in Portland I helped some friends move into a new place and when we were unloading boxes into their garage on the back of the door the previous tenants had left a pretty great vintage Dokken poster that had obviously been hanging there for twenty years or so.

Andrew Monroe
11-24-2012, 01:05 PM
I have a weakness for Dokken, at least their ballads. I really like Alone Again and In My Dreams. There, I said it. I don't own any of their albums but I used to have Tooth and Nail on cassette. And Breakin' The Chains was a pretty good album. I hate that Dream Warriors shit though, and Into The Fire too, which gets WAY the fuck overplayed on Metal Mania on VH1 Classic. They run that video all the damn time.

Horace Cordier
11-24-2012, 05:49 PM
Subhuman Race...thats the one. The other two were with another singer weren't they? I've not heard either.

What about Zebra? Any love for them? Or Fastway? Chequered Past? Grim Reaper? Rough Cutt? All shit but with a song or two to remember them by.

Christ - What a red hot mess of bands, genres and styles. It seems this thread is mostly in celebration of "hair metal" bands, which frankly are beloved of people who were usually a) little kids when this stuff came out and so they loved it because they just didn't know any better, or b) ironic hipsters who love the stuff to mock the stuff.

I remember when most of these bands were putting out music and serious metalheads loathed this kind of girly-man rock with few exceptions. WASP got a pass because of the raw meat getting tossed into the audience and the surprisingly tough riffs. The first 2 Motley albums got a pass for their punk energy. But Bon Jovi was always recognized as crap for premenstrual girls and later stuff like POISON and even later on ROUGH CUTT was what the late great Paul Baloff of EXODUS was referring to when he said "Kill all the posers". Then there was the sad tale of DEF LEPPARD - from nwobhm heroes to over-produced strip mall crapola for lovestruck 10 year old girls. They did get rich though.

FASTWAY was great on their first Lp and sound a lot like ZEPPELIN, CHEQURERED PAST wasn't really a metal band of any kind, but did have the great Michael Des Barres of 70's rockers DETECTIVE and SILVERHEAD on vocals. GRIM REAPER were pure nwobhm and an excellent straight-up metal band that unfortunately got made the brutal butt of jokes because the members were uglier than a FOGHAT groupie and dressed like passengers in a clown car. ROUGH CUTT are best forgotten as quickly as bands like NITRO and TRIXTER.

I liked plenty of cheesy metal in the 80's but it tended to be of the straight ahead meathead variety like THE RODS, BITCH or goofy barbarian metal TORCH and HEAVY LOAD.

Alison Jane
11-24-2012, 06:01 PM
This thread is the story or Horace's life!

Ian Jane
11-24-2012, 07:17 PM
Christ - What a red hot mess of bands, genres and styles. It seems this thread is mostly in celebration of "hair metal" bands

It doesn't have to be though. You can cop to whatever you want, who cares what serious metalheads think!

One band that hasn't been mentioned yet that I seriously like and more or less always have is Faster Pussycat. Glammed out and poofy haired, sure, but they had a pretty great guitar sound and there was a lot of New York Dolls style influence in there that made them a bit different. They were a lot of fun.

My love of goofy barbarian heavy metal bands is pretty well documented already.

Todd Jordan
11-25-2012, 02:29 PM
I saw Faster Pussyfart open for Alice Cooper and they were awful. You absolutely should be embarrassed for your praise and appreciation of them. And Horamce probably was way too old when the hair stuff hit the scene to have been sucked in by any of it.

Ian Jane
11-25-2012, 02:31 PM
I saw Faster Pussyfart open for Alice Cooper and they were awful. You absolutely should be embarrassed for your praise and appreciation of them.

And yet I feel not a single solitary twinge of shame. Go figure.

Horace Cordier
11-25-2012, 02:43 PM
I saw Faster Pussyfart open for Alice Cooper and they were awful. You absolutely should be embarrassed for your praise and appreciation of them. And Horamce probably was way too old when the hair stuff hit the scene to have been sucked in by any of it.

Nope. I was exactly the right age but it went like this: once you got into the 80's one of 2 things happened. When we were little kids we all listened to classic rock and hard rock like THE WHO, ZEP, THE STONES and some of us were into early metal like SABBATH and 70's JUDAS PRIEST. But around '81 - '83 you either went with METALLICA and the upcoming thrash movement and the flood of euro-metal that came out like MERCYFUL FATE or you went with the glammy hair metal stuff. Some kids went hardcore too. The thrash kids HATED the hair metal fans - when EXODUS used to play live with Baloff he had a whole hilarious rant about killing any kid in a MOTLEY shirt at a EXODUS gig.

Newt Cox
11-25-2012, 04:19 PM
I went to a Cinderella/White Lion/Warrant concert when I was 15. Mainly cause a girl I had a massive crush on wanted to go. I got us great tickets and figured I would at least get a kiss from her cause of this. That didn't happen. I spent most of the show with my earphones on listening to various tapes.

Toyboy
11-25-2012, 04:26 PM
I have a tough time listening to old Megadeth (Peace Sells...is one of my favorite metal albums) what with Dave Mustaine being such a fucking asshole/lunatic. Separate art from artist...sure...but it gets real hard with that dick.

I'm also somewhat embarrassed that I have new Metallica on my iPod. There are two songs on the last album I dig quite a bit and I actually like most of St. Anger, but I don't feel good admitting it.

Ian Jane
11-25-2012, 05:30 PM
I though Death Magnetic was really good.

Todd Jordan
11-25-2012, 06:36 PM
Nope. I was exactly the right age but it went like this: once you got into the 80's one of 2 things happened. When we were little kids we all listened to classic rock and hard rock like THE WHO, ZEP, THE STONES and some of us were into early metal like SABBATH and 70's JUDAS PRIEST. But around '81 - '83 you either went with METALLICA and the upcoming thrash movement and the flood of euro-metal that came out like MERCYFUL FATE or you went with the glammy hair metal stuff. Some kids went hardcore too. The thrash kids HATED the hair metal fans - when EXODUS used to play live with Baloff he had a whole hilarious rant about killing any kid in a MOTLEY shirt at a EXODUS gig.

I was slamming you for being so old (which you are not). You synopsis is pretty accurate as to what happened to me, but it was 1984 I first heard Ride the lightning that I went from Sabbath, Van Halen, W.A.S.P., Ozzy, etc. to the thrash. Friggin' HATED those other poser bands (like Poison). Wasn't until I was in my 20s the I could appreciate some of the shit that came out, but mostly the MTV songs.

Matt, ever heard the St. Anger demos stuff? MUCH better than the album....doesn't have that horrible drum sound. And the new CD I agree with Ian...its got some good stuff on it, and in my opinion is the album that should have come out between Justice and the disappointing Black album.

Toyboy
11-25-2012, 08:43 PM
I though Death Magnetic was really good.

It was okay - as Kerry King said, it was a nice attempt (I think it was King - could have been Hanneman). The solos sounded like everything Hammett was doing in the 90's, i.e. wah-wah hoohah, and Hetfield's lyrics are gross.

Todd - I haven't heard those demos but I do listen to the live DVD that came with the album quite a bit and prefer that to the finished product. It's got some great stoner rock riffs.

Paul Casey
11-25-2012, 08:45 PM
I love hair metal.

Todd Jordan
11-25-2012, 08:52 PM
Todd - I haven't heard those demos but I do listen to the live DVD that came with the album quite a bit and prefer that to the finished product. It's got some great stoner rock riffs.

I am unfamiliar with the "stoner" thing.

Todd Jordan
11-25-2012, 08:53 PM
I love hairy weenises.

Fixed it for you.

Ian Jane
11-26-2012, 10:57 AM
I love hair metal.

Elaborate.

Paul Casey
11-27-2012, 07:16 PM
Elaborate.

It's great.

Ian Jane
11-27-2012, 08:34 PM
Well played.

Toyboy
11-27-2012, 08:58 PM
I guess a good question to ask here is how and when will said music embarrass you.

One day I had "Still of the Night" by Whitesnake going full blast in my car as I drove up to my garage. Later that day a neighbor said my music was loud enough that she could hear it inside her house with the windows closed. I also had my windows rolled up.

I was proud of that.

Then she followed up by saying that she couldn't believe I was listening to Whitesnake and then I was embarrassed.

Now I make sure I have something cool playing when I come home, like Mandrill or David Bowie.

Who cares though.

I don't care.

Really...I don't.

Paul Casey
11-27-2012, 10:17 PM
I guess a good question to ask here is how and when will said music embarrass you.

I don't let musical selection embarrass me. If you like it, you like it.

Travis Sheldon
11-28-2012, 01:48 AM
I guess a good question to ask here is how and when will said music embarrass you.
One day I had "Still of the Night" by Whitesnake going full blast in my car as I drove up to my garage. Later that day a neighbor said my music was loud enough that she could hear it inside her house with the windows closed. I also had my windows rolled up.
I was proud of that.
Then she followed up by saying that she couldn't believe I was listening to Whitesnake and then I was embarrassed.
Now I make sure I have something cool playing when I come home, like Mandrill or David Bowie.
Who cares though.
I don't care.
Really...I don't.

You really need to rethink that strategy.
Play Slide It In very loud next time you roll up in the driveway, if she says something, tell her you'll turn her out like Tawny Kitaen.
She'll like that assertiveness.

Roderick
11-28-2012, 01:58 AM
Then she followed up by saying that she couldn't believe I was listening to Whitesnake and then I was embarrassed.



The fact that she recognized it as Whitesnake makes her just as guilty as you. No worries.

Ian Jane
11-28-2012, 11:07 AM
I don't let musical selection embarrass me. If you like it, you like it.

Agreed. I used embarrassing in the thread title to infer stuff that you know is goofy, not to infer you shouldn't love what you love.

Horace Cordier
11-28-2012, 11:30 AM
Nobody messes with WHITESNAKE on my watch! Even the hair metal stuff has cool riffs and early snake is awesome sex machine blues rock.

Andrew Monroe
11-28-2012, 01:09 PM
How about Krokus? I actually liked the early stuff a lot - the Metal Rendez-vous and Hardware albums. They were an AC/DC clone but they also had a touch of originality. I bought One Vice At A Time but that's where I started to check out and was way off the bandwagon by the time they hit it big with Headhunter. I can't say I play the albums anymore but I can still hum stuff like Tokyo Nights or Easy Rocker.

Ian Jane
11-28-2012, 01:18 PM
Krokus will always hold a special place in my heart because of MAD FOXES.

Horace Cordier
11-28-2012, 04:11 PM
Nothing even remotely embarrassing about early KROKUS. One of the first concerts I saw was them opening for MOTORHEAD on their very last show with Fast Eddie on the "Iron Fist" tour.

Early KROKUS is heavy with awesomely cheesy sexist lyrics like "Smelly Nelly". They are also a national treasure in their native Switzerland whose "Hardware" era lineup reformation for the "Hoodoo" cd netted them a number 1 album on the Swiss charts.

Ian Jane
11-28-2012, 04:33 PM
Nothing even remotely embarrassing about early KROKUS.

No?




Early KROKUS is heavy with awesomely cheesy sexist lyrics like "Smelly Nelly". They are also a national treasure in their native Switzerland whose "Hardware" era lineup reformation for the "Hoodoo" cd netted them a number 1 album on the Swiss charts.

They're goofy.

They still rock, but they're goofy. You can't realistically deny that.

Horace Cordier
11-28-2012, 06:07 PM
No?





They're goofy.

They still rock, but they're goofy. You can't realistically deny that.

Sure I can. Because that pic is from LATE PERIOD HAIR METAL KROKUS you schmuck.

Up to "Headhunter" they kicked ass. KROKUS vocalist Marc Storace also once kicked the ass of DEF LEPPARD drummer Rick Allen back when Allen had 2 arms backstage at a gig that caused a metal sensation in the KERRANG! magazine reader's section back in the day. I was proudly on team KROKUS back then and considered it a great victory against false poofter metal.

Ah, memories.

Ian Jane
11-28-2012, 06:48 PM
Sure I can. Because that pic is from LATE PERIOD HAIR METAL KROKUS you schmuck.

You can, but you'd be wrong. Because they were goofy in the 70s too, you schmuck. Case in point? To To You All Cover from 1977.

I'm not saying they weren't a good band or that they couldn't play or that they didn't write plenty of good songs or that they're not worth respecting.

I'm saying they're goofy. And I'm standing by that remark.

Horace Cordier
11-28-2012, 10:58 PM
You can, but you'd be wrong. Because they were goofy in the 70s too, you schmuck. Case in point? To To You All Cover from 1977.

I'm not saying they weren't a good band or that they couldn't play or that they didn't write plenty of good songs or that they're not worth respecting.

I'm saying they're goofy. And I'm standing by that remark.

That's pre-metal KROKUS you buffoon. Everything before "Metal Rendezvous" is prog rock or weak hard rock. Keep trying!

Roderick
11-28-2012, 11:14 PM
That's pre-metal KROKUS you buffoon. Everything before "Metal Rendezvous" is prog rock or weak hard rock. Keep trying!

That is some über geeky metal pedantry. Respect! \m/

Ian Jane
11-29-2012, 10:15 AM
That's pre-metal KROKUS you buffoon. Everything before "Metal Rendezvous" is prog rock or weak hard rock. Keep trying!

I give up. If you don't see my point at this stage in the game, then enjoy the snobby metal nerd bubble you live in. Good day to you sir.

Andrew Monroe
11-29-2012, 01:24 PM
Who knew my casual mention of Krokus would ignite a veritable metal head-on collision? Or rendez-vous if you prefer...

You never know where Krokus will pop up or what will happen when they do. I remember watching my Gluecifer dvd, Royally Stuffed and WTF? There is Fernando and Storace in the parking lot of a Gluecifer gig - true story.

Horace Cordier
11-29-2012, 05:16 PM
Looks like Ian took his ball and baby rattle and went home.

Crybaby.

Long stick goes boom!

Alison Jane
11-29-2012, 05:36 PM
Actually he went to the dentist.

Ian Jane
11-29-2012, 07:16 PM
Looks like Ian took his ball and baby rattle and went home.

Crybaby.

Long stick goes boom!

Ok then, post a picture of Krokus that isn't goofy.

Oh, and no cavities!

Horace Cordier
11-29-2012, 07:34 PM
Ok then, post a picture of Krokus that isn't goofy.

Here ya go.

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Apronikoff
11-29-2012, 07:36 PM
Wait. The guy with the open zebra-print shirt isn't goofy?

We clearly have very different definitions of that word.

:funny:

Horace Cordier
11-29-2012, 07:45 PM
:tsk:
Wait. The guy with the open zebra-print shirt isn't goofy?

We clearly have very different definitions of that word.

:funny:

Storace is a rocker - whats he supposed to be wearing? A suit? :tsk:

Alison Jane
11-29-2012, 07:50 PM
Storace??? Let the jokes begin!!! :rolling:

Horace Cordier
11-29-2012, 07:54 PM
The lead singer's name is Marc Storace. You wanna call me that? Cool!! Beats that freakin' Horamce or Horamnce or whatever you lame-os are up to this week.

Roderick
11-29-2012, 07:56 PM
\m/ Storamce! \m/

Alison Jane
11-29-2012, 08:03 PM
Exactly!

Ian Jane
11-29-2012, 08:22 PM
Here ya go.

5043

Game, set and match.

Horace Cordier
11-29-2012, 10:37 PM
Game, set and match.

I had a cooler pic but this lame forum said it was too "big" to handle for uploading.

Long stick goes boom indeed.

Game, set and rematch.

Ian Jane
11-29-2012, 10:46 PM
I had a cooler pic but this lame forum said it was too "big" to handle for uploading.

Long stick goes boom indeed.

Game, set and rematch.

Use img tags to hyperlink it. Or host it off site and embed it. Or save it optimized for web under 100k and upload it the easy way.

None of this is complicated and Krokus are goofy. They rock, but they're goofy.

Horace Cordier
11-29-2012, 11:09 PM
Use img tags to hyperlink it. Or host it off site and embed it. Or save it optimized for web under 100k and upload it the easy way.

None of this is complicated and Krokus are goofy. They rock, but they're goofy.

Non-goofy KROKUS.

http://api.ning.com/files/DsFmNCXdn*Oacj650j6nTk6xFtkt2e027UuG0Alwhx61M03QxD t35MqXg8sJKMTbQVzTapC*P9nSNe8Rvz*9Q6WS0E4XkX8Q/Scan0809250002.jpg

Barry M
11-30-2012, 01:15 AM
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg138/barrymba56/marc-storace-anuk.jpg

Storace was in ANUK, which sounds pretty awesome*:

2300 B.C.: A band of horsemen attacks Anuk's village and abducts the women. Anuk survives the massacre and sets out to search for his sisters and face the enemy. The story of a man's journey to rescue his folk and find his love. A film about courage, bravery and unfaltering loyalty in a time when history did not yet have a name.

-- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1066289

* goofy

Imagine if history didn't have a name? That would be crazy. Bill & Ted would have no need of time travel, and Wyld Stallyns would be saved. I hope there are wild stallions in ANUK.

Barry M
11-30-2012, 01:18 AM
Marc Storace plays Geisterzunge, which Google says means "Ghost tongue".

Ian Jane
11-30-2012, 10:25 AM
Non-goofy KROKUS.

http://api.ning.com/files/DsFmNCXdn*Oacj650j6nTk6xFtkt2e027UuG0Alwhx61M03QxD t35MqXg8sJKMTbQVzTapC*P9nSNe8Rvz*9Q6WS0E4XkX8Q/Scan0809250002.jpg

Umm.....

Less goofy, maybe. But non-goofy?

5048

Are they trying to be Revenge era Kiss here?

sukebanboy
11-30-2012, 10:37 AM
KROKUS are above derision and ridicule as they are on the MAD FOXES soundtrack (whether they know or not!!!)

Andrew Monroe
01-08-2014, 01:13 PM
Haven't actually heard these guys but I have no doubt they would be right at home in this thread.

http://auctions.c.yimg.jp/img235.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/6/8/9/5/sandblasted_1968-img600x450-137016592154bkdg5437.jpg

Lalala76
01-08-2014, 03:51 PM
Back in the 80's there used to be this cool little independent record shop near where I lived. I remember browsing through the vinyl in awe at all these great metal album covers. One day I went in with my older brother, and we came across this Poison album. His comments still stick with me today, when he proclaimed "wow they're well fit!!!". I still mock him to this day.
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Todd Jordan
01-08-2014, 04:14 PM
When we looked at the cover for the first time, my metal head older brother and I, our initial reaction was the correct one. Something to the effect of "all fluff and no substance, but they got the cross dressing down well."

I don't think you can even call them metal.

Lalala76
01-08-2014, 04:25 PM
I don't think you can even call them metal

NOPE!!! Always hated them anyway.

Jason C
01-08-2014, 04:42 PM
Back in the 80's there used to be this cool little independent record shop near where I lived. I remember browsing through the vinyl in awe at all these great metal album covers. One day I went in with my older brother, and we came across this Poison album. His comments still stick with me today, when he proclaimed "wow they're well fit!!!". I still mock him to this day.
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I remember Hair Metal bands sporting big hair and makeup but that is full on drag queen there.

Todd Jordan
01-08-2014, 05:06 PM
It must have really confused the 12 year olds at the time.

Paul Casey
01-08-2014, 07:12 PM
I love hair metal.

Todd Jordan
01-09-2014, 09:50 AM
I love some of it. But not that glam stuff.

47lab
01-09-2014, 07:13 PM
DOKKEN - I think I still have "breaking the chains" somewhere on my iPod playlist.

Mark Tolch
01-09-2014, 07:36 PM
http://youtu.be/ikMiQZF-mAYDoes this count? Cause I love the SHIT out of this.

http://youtu.be/ikMiQZF-mAY

Scott
01-09-2014, 07:38 PM
I like how there were always one or two guys in the group who you could tell weren't as into glamming it up as the rest of the band but they just had to go along with it.

Mr. Horror
01-16-2014, 03:57 PM
People sometimes give me shit for loving bands like Iced Earth and Hammerfall. To those people I say fuck you.

Ian Jane
01-16-2014, 04:28 PM
I love hair metal.

Me too. I still really like that first Poison album too. I can't make the case that it's a good metal record, because it's not, but it's fun disposable pop and catchy as fuck.

Jason C
01-16-2014, 05:04 PM
I love hair metal. My favorite album is Firehouse. Whenever I'm dragging ass, listening to any track on that album gives a me shot of adrenaline that perks me up instantly. It's better than Reb Bull or coffee.



https://pad.indiemerch.com/i/2/6/26bf8b02d6.jpg

Todd Jordan
01-16-2014, 06:03 PM
Ugh...man yeah you should be embarrassed about Firehouse (and I say that with no malicious intent). In my opinion they were one of the bands that came out during the decline of hair bands and helped seal the coffin. Formulaic ca-ca. "Baby, dont treat me baaaaadd...." UGH...yuck. Nice bed-head on the chick who set that house on fire with an unlit match.

Jason C
01-16-2014, 06:25 PM
^^ Ya. I know what you are saying. I also really dig Slaughter. I was 15 when Slaughter's Stick to Ya and Firehouse were released. Back in the early 90's I did wonder if those two albums were responsible for killing hair metal. But it didn't matter. I had a happy childhood so alot of real metal was just to depressing. I just wasn't sad or rebellious enough to take it seriously. Slaughter, Motely Crue, Def Leppard, Warrant, and Firehouse were all about getting laid and having fun. And that's what I was all about those years. Those were some good times and hair metal was the soundtrack.

Scott
01-16-2014, 06:48 PM
^^ Ya. I know what you are saying. I also really dig Slaughter. I was 15 when Slaughter's Stick to Ya and Firehouse were released. Back in the early 90's I did wonder if those two albums were responsible for killing hair metal. But it didn't matter. I had a happy childhood so alot of real metal was just to depressing. I just wasn't sad or rebellious enough to take it seriously. Slaughter, Motely Crue, Def Leppard, Warrant, and Firehouse were all about getting laid and having fun. And that's what I was all about those years. Those were some good times and hair metal was the soundtrack.

I hear ya. I really loved Slaughter, Poison, Warrant, Trixter and Skid Row. I think I'm the only person that bought Skid Row's EP of punk rock covers. My only excuse was that I was 12 years old.

Ian Jane
01-16-2014, 06:59 PM
I saw Skid Row live opening for Aerosmith. I turned around just in time to see the girl behind me flash her boobs to Bach. I think I was 11 or 12. It was pretty rad.

Tom Clark
01-16-2014, 08:14 PM
^^ Ya. I know what you are saying. I also really dig Slaughter. I was 15 when Slaughter's Stick to Ya and Firehouse were released. Back in the early 90's I did wonder if those two albums were responsible for killing hair metal. But it didn't matter. I had a happy childhood so alot of real metal was just to depressing. I just wasn't sad or rebellious enough to take it seriously. Slaughter, Motely Crue, Def Leppard, Warrant, and Firehouse were all about getting laid and having fun. And that's what I was all about those years. Those were some good times and hair metal was the soundtrack.
Motley had more balls than any of those bands. At least they did on their first two albums. With Theatre of Pain they started becoming who they influenced and the music suffered.

I never really considered Def Leppard "glam", just pop rock and a great pop rock band at that. They know what they're good at. "Promises is a ridiculously catchy song:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lOHNxae69E

Horace Cordier
01-17-2014, 02:59 AM
I unabashedly despise almost all hair metal. I grew up with classic hard rock and proto-metal like SABBATH and DEEP PURPLE as a child and then got into nwobhm and thrash at their birth.

But I'll agree on MOTLEY CRÜE - especially the first LP. It's a stone cold trash classic with aggression to burn - especially in the Leathur mix. The second LP is fun and then it's straight into the vomit bin for the rest.

Early DOKKEN had some heavy SCORPIONS type grooves and CINDERELLA were ok when they did the AC/DC and heavy blues rock thing. And I can take KISS in their hair phase because of Eric Carr's kickass drumming and some of the guitar players were fun shredders.

As for DEF LEPPARD they ruled on the first two records and then became horrendous sellouts.

Unscarred
12-30-2014, 02:39 PM
I don't know man if I like the band I wouldn't be embarrassed about it. I'm guessing you are talking about like glam bands like White Snake or Ratt & Cinderella? I don't really like that kind of music but to be honest wouldn't give a fuck had I liked it anyway. I like bands like Immortal - I guess that is embarrassing to some.