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Thread: Roman Porno Reboot (Sono, Nakata, Shiota, Yukisada, Shiraishi) (2016)

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    'Aroused by Gymnopedies': Film Review
    - http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/rev...-review-938317

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    Not really convinced by that review.

    Seems like the film is probably good and well made, but not really my idea of a 'good' classic roman porno...at least not the INTERESTING kind....

    Ut seems to me that it has more in common with much more recent Japanese skinflicks rather than the classic R.P. movies...
    Last edited by sukebanboy; 10-19-2016 at 08:38 AM.

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    The review doesn't instill confidence in me that this is a solid reboot of Roman Porno.

    Not a rape in sight(in the review, at least).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takuma View Post
    Yeah, I'm actually pretty excited about this. Resurrecting Roman Porno with some interesting directors, producing 5 films at once, releasing them all in theaters within a couple of months... this is almost like waiting for a new Star Wars movie

    [seems like they won't be hitting the theatre near me until 2017, though]
    Roman Porno > Star Wars

    I have to check for screenings middle to end of December in Tokyo. Hopefully will be able to catch a few when I'm there.

    Quote Originally Posted by sukebanboy View Post
    Not really convinced by that review.

    Seems like the film is probably good and well made, but not really my idea of a 'good' classic roman porno...at least not the INTERESTING kind....

    Ut seems to me that it has more in common with much more recent Japanese skinflicks rather than the classic R.P. movies...
    Quote Originally Posted by AngelGuts View Post
    The review doesn't instill confidence in me that this is a solid reboot of Roman Porno.

    Not a rape in sight(in the review, at least).
    I don't expect them to be mostly like the old Roman Porno movies. Would be enough for me if they are just good movies being able to catch the Roman Porno spirit and transform it into something enjoyable for newer generations. I really hope that they will be able to attract more attention to Roman Porno, especially from Western audiences and critics, so we'll get a few more Roman Porno gems released on Bluray or playing at festivals and retrospectives worldwide.

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    The softcore feminist romp ushering in the Roman Porno New Wave.
    Sion Sono’s Anti-Porno explores the untapped sexual imagination of women.

    - http://lwlies.com/articles/sion-sono...orno-new-wave/

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    Sono's is the only one I am really looking forward to..and from that review it seems like it might well be something very interesting ..but it sounds like even his is not a straight up 'Roman Porno' movie.....

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    Chirashi for Gymnopedies




    It's interesting that all of these films exist in two versions. The R18-versions are screened theatrically, while the TV versions premiering simultaneously are R15-versions.

    Also very interesting is that Toei channel is paying tribute to Nikkatsu by screening 5 Roman Porno films... starting with Star of David, which is listed as R15-version as well. While some Roman Pornos, like Lovers are Wet and Crazed Fruit, have been given an R15 rating in the recent years, I find it hard to believe Star of David could get an R15 without censorship...
    - http://www.toeich.jp/program/1T0000010994/201611

    Quote Originally Posted by sukebanboy View Post
    Not really convinced by that review.

    Seems like the film is probably good and well made, but not really my idea of a 'good' classic roman porno...at least not the INTERESTING kind....

    Ut seems to me that it has more in common with much more recent Japanese skinflicks rather than the classic R.P. movies...
    I'm not sure I'd agree with that. I mean what kind of "'good' classic roman porno" are you expecting? Coming of age film? Arthouse drama? SM film? Slapstick comedy? Action film? Period drama? Violent pink? Music film? Nunsploitation? Docudrama? Horror movie? High school film? Crime film? Because those were all subgenres of classic roman porno. There were also scifi, spy action, car racing, even a satire of a pink film maker. Some films were sleaze fests for raincoat audiences, others had very little sex in them and were aimed at mainstream audiences. Some films were big budget studio productions, others were licensed from smaller companies (including some of their best films, like Love Hotel).

    One characteristic of Roman Porno was that it wasn't really a genre, but a movement that produced anything that was popular at the time. Which of course changed a fair bit during its 17 year course. It also provided opportunities for talented filmmakers to create almost anything they wished. I understand that people would like to see more Roman Pornos that look like the 70s and 80s films, but would that really be staying true to the Roman Porno spirit?

    Well, I do get your drift. But anyway.

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    Takuma...I feel maybe I didn't express my opinion clearly enough (not the first time either!!)
    I wasnt really complaining that they were not in the Roman Porno genre~ as you said, Roman Porno covered almost every genre in its time as you so rightly mentioned....

    My main gripe with these new ones ( apart from Sono) is that they do not really seem any different than other soft core Japanese movies of recent years ...it seems like they are not really making any...effort to do somethimg that really warrants their status as Roman Porno reboot....was expecting something that really.excites and makes me go WOW.....or at least makes me want to watch them....

    I guess maybe its the lack of creativity of todays directors..they dont have any strong convictions/ ideas / ideals/ things that they want to say or express in their movies...except for Sono none of them are really TRYING to use the opportunity to do something really stand out....

    Maybe I was expecting too much.......
    Last edited by sukebanboy; 10-24-2016 at 11:36 AM.

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    STAR OF DAVID R-15? Unless it's a cut or softened version.

    The original Roman Pornos, at least a good chunk, were defined by confronting themes and a sex- or rape-focused undercurrent. Will be interesting to see if the new wave are RP in name only, and, as Suke mentioned, just not a whole lot different from other Japanese softcore of recent vintage. I hope to be surprised.

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    Japanese Trailer for WET WOMAN IN THE WIND:



    Basically the same as the festival trailer I posted earlier in this thread just with shitty green bars put in front of every naked chest, which somewhat amuses me as it is quite reminiscent of early Roman Porno movies but at the same time also worries me a little bit, because it's done for naked chests. The R-15 versions Takuma mentioned cannot be meant to look that way, or am I wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Takuma View Post
    I'm not sure I'd agree with that. I mean what kind of "'good' classic roman porno" are you expecting? Coming of age film? Arthouse drama? SM film? Slapstick comedy? Action film? Period drama? Violent pink? Music film? Nunsploitation? Docudrama? Horror movie? High school film? Crime film? Because those were all subgenres of classic roman porno. There were also scifi, spy action, car racing, even a satire of a pink film maker. Some films were sleaze fests for raincoat audiences, others had very little sex in them and were aimed at mainstream audiences. Some films were big budget studio productions, others were licensed from smaller companies (including some of their best films, like Love Hotel).

    One characteristic of Roman Porno was that it wasn't really a genre, but a movement that produced anything that was popular at the time. Which of course changed a fair bit during its 17 year course. It also provided opportunities for talented filmmakers to create almost anything they wished. I understand that people would like to see more Roman Pornos that look like the 70s and 80s films, but would that really be staying true to the Roman Porno spirit?

    Well, I do get your drift. But anyway.
    100% on the same page here with Takuma. The only thing I was worried about was the fact that they weren't shot on 35mm, because I just love the look of Roman Porno and have a general despise for some of the more recent digital look of Japanese films (take for example the 2010 reboot project, those looked awful). That said up until this point the new ones seem to look fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by sukebanboy View Post
    I guess maybe its the lack of creativity of todays directors..they dont have any strong convictions/ ideas / ideals/ things that they want to say or express in their movies...except for Sono none of them are really TRYING to use the opportunity to do something really stand out....
    I can get where you come from with this, but if you really think about it most of the directors under contract at Nikkatsu at the time of Roman Porno weren't that interested into expressing their ideas / beliefs with the movies they shot either. I think that with some rare exceptions (for example Tatsumi Kumashiro, Noboru Tanaka, ...) most were just doing their jobs most of the time. Directors usually got paired with scriptwriters and producers and had to shoot the script they got handed by the scriptwriter with the resources they got supplied by the producer.

    This is generally an aspect of 50ies, 60ies and 70ies Japanese program pictures many Western audiences seem to underestimate, even with some Directors considered among the best ever worldwide like Ozu and Mizoguchi this is the case to some extent in my opinion. All just basically did their job. That's not to say that there never were directors who rather wanted to express something with their films than just shooting a product to sell for the company, but I'd argue that movies shot by Kumashiro would look different if he had been working during the 50ies and also movies from Ozu would look different (or at least their content would be) if he would've started to work in the 70ies.

    A more accurate concern, at least for me, would therefore actually be that these new releases have way more freedom than original Roman Porno productions had. Don't get me wrong, I'm generally for a certain amount of freedom for the director, but this must not necessarily result in good movies in my opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by AngelGuts View Post
    The original Roman Pornos, at least a good chunk, were defined by confronting themes and a sex- or rape-focused undercurrent. Will be interesting to see if the new wave are RP in name only, and, as Suke mentioned, just not a whole lot different from other Japanese softcore of recent vintage. I hope to be surprised.
    Well a sex-focus undercurrent would be obvious with adult movies, but I just can't associate most of the Roman Porno output with a rape-focused undercurrent. There certainly were many rape-focused films from the later 70ies onwards, but that was more a general trend within Japanese adult cinema at the time in my opinion and not necessarily restricted to Roman Pornos, which also consisted out of youth movies and comedies (take for example the long running KOICHIRO UNO series, which is if I'm not mistaken besides the DAN ONRIOKU series the longest one within Roman Porno).

    I also not necessarily associate good Roman Pornos with a harsher tone. Of course there were great ones, like the ANGEL GUTS series, but also many average ones as well as complete bores in my opinion. That said I am not opposed to a harsher tone for the new releases either.
    Last edited by Maito Guy; 10-25-2016 at 07:57 AM.

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