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    The Good, The Bad And The Ugly

    So Kino's announced their release and as we get closer, I figure it's time to give this it's own thread.

    Let's start with some before/after shots that they just posted to set fans' minds at ease re: the yellow tint of the image. These just popped up on FB, obviously low res, but you can see the difference between the left and right sides of the frame.

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    I really want this to be good....Kino has a mixed track record when it comes to transfers, though. Are they going to be the ones to do it right, finally?

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    Some info on Kino's work by way of the HTF.

    Here's some answers to the questions posted by someone at HTF


    1. Original 1967 production company credit is altered
    Our release will include the "altered" credit.
    2. There is supposed to be a “flip cut” transition/optical wipe from Tuco talking to Blondie (and taking a bite of his cigar) to being hung. The extended version simply cuts instead of doing the flip wipe (most likely because the flip cut was an optical not present in the original negative).
    This will most likely be the same as the extended cut
    3. There is not supposed to be a fade out on the gun shop owner with the sign in his mouth in the US theatrical cut. It is supposed to cut directly to the shot of the mass exodus of Sibley and his soldiers. Currently the extended cut fades out early to black, meaning it won’t be possible to use the tail end of the gun shop owner shot.
    This scene will be as it appeared in the original U.S. theatrical cut
    4. The MGM 4K fades out earlier when Blondie passes out and Tuco is bringing him water in the desert. The fade out in the desert scene is supposed to happen approximately 2 to 3 seconds later.
    This will most likely be the same as the extended cut
    5. The MGM 4K has a dissolve from the night mission scene to the scene of the coach arriving to the mission. In the US theatrical cut, this shot is supposed to fade up from black, but now the dissolve is part of the beginning of the shot.
    This scene will be as it appeared in the original U.S. theatrical cut
    6. The shot of the train leaving the station (with Tuco and Wallace on it) is longer in the US theatrical cut, before cutting directly to Tuco in the train and not dissolving out earlier to the early morning camp scene like the 4K.
    This will most likely be the same as the extended cut


    We'll do everything possible to release the best version of The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. I'll notify everyone of any further revisions (if any), so please drop these attacks and wait for the release before criticizing an upcoming release no one has seen yet.
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    And....

    "We're including the restored 2.0 audio for both cuts."
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    What does that mean? The altered gunshots everyone hates?

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    For the remastered Blu-ray, MGM went back and used the original sound fx, so I can't imagine Kino going back the the hated new gunshots.

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    So what we're getting is a fanedit.

    And am I right in thinking their source is the scan with the piss&green filter already on it and they're just altering that thus some "damage" is impossible to undo?

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    Yes, they are trying to take the piss out of it. Only so much you can do.
    Far worse is Kino's announcement that the are not using any reference prints, but going by personal memory to do the colors. Utter nonsense!
    They also had zero awareness of this terrible master and how fans felt until they announced ( clueless much?? )

    So it's a fan edit but an inferior one.
    Kino also still has that encoder that shifts the gamma, and the single most released film on home video gets yet another release I will completely avoid.

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    I should probably just accept the film is never going to get the release it deserves.

    And why aren't they working with the fans who are in possession of a good IB tech print (with good colors) which actually has the scenes thought to be lost.
    Instead Kino is going to include only the skeleton scene which MGM/Ritrovata magically managed to find somewhere after the fans had posted it online.

    THERE ARE SCENES ON THAT PRINT THAT WERE THOUGHT TO BE LOST YET NOBODY IS GOING TO BE SEEING THEM?! (I have no idea what the people on possession of the print plans to do with it...)

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    KABOOM.

    Coming August 15th on DVD and Blu-ray!

    THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY (50th Anniversary Edition)

    Disc 1:
    - 4K transfer of the 162 Minute U.S. Theatrical Cut Available for the first time in HD
    - New Audio Commentary by Film Historian Tim Lucas
    - Trailers From Hell with Ernest Dickerson
    - Newly Restored 2.0 Mono Audio
    - Original 1967 UA Logo
    - Alternate Scene: The Optical Flip
    - Deleted Scene 1: Skeletons in the Desert
    - Deleted Scene 2: Extended Torture Scene
    - GBU on the: animated behind-the-scenes image gallery
    - Promoting GBU: Posters & Lobby Cards animated image gallery
    - Sergio Leone Westerns: Original Theatrical Trailers
    - Italian Dolby Digital 2.0 Mono
    - English DTS-HD MA 5.1 Audio
    - Reversible Art
    - Optional English subtitles

    Disc 2:
    - 4K transfer of the Extended Cut
    - Newly Restored 2.0 Mono Audio
    - Audio Commentary by Film Historian Richard Schickel
    - Audio Commentary By Noted Cultural Historian Sir Christopher Frayling
    - Leone's West: Making Of Documentary (19:55)
    - Il Maestro: Ennio Morricone and GBU Featurette Part 1 (7:48)
    - Il Maestro: Ennio Morricone and GBU Featurette Part 2 (12:26)
    - The Leone Style: On Sergio Leone Featurette (23:48)
    - The Man Who Lost The Civil War: Civil War Documentary (14:24)
    - Reconstruction GBU (11:09)
    - Deleted Scene 1: Extended Tuco Torture scene (7:15)
    - Deleted Scene 2: The Socorro Sequence - A Reconstruction (3:02)
    - Vignette 1: Uno, Due, Tre (0:40)
    - Vignette 2: Italian Lunch (0:43)
    - Vignette 3: New York Accent (0:09)
    - Vignette 4: Gun in Holster (0:58)
    - Original U.S. Theatrical Trailer
    - Original French Theatrical Trailer
    - English DTS-HD MA 5.1 Audio
    - Italian Dolby Digital 2.0 Mono
    - Optional English subtitles

    Besides the color correction (removing the yellowishness) we also made the following corrections and adjustments to create our 162 Minute cut of the Theatrical version:
    1. Original 1967 UA Logo
    2. The “flip cut” transition/optical wipe from "Tuco talking to Blondie and taking a bite of his cigar to being hung" was restored to its original version
    3. The fadeout to black of the "gun shop owner with the sign in his mouth" scene is now a cut to exodus scene.
    4. The fadeout of the "Blondie passing out as Tuco is bringing him water" scene happens exactly 1 second later than how it was on old MGM DVD release of the Theatrical Cut.
    5. The dissolve from "night" scene to "coach arriving at the mission" scene now fades up from black
    6. The shot of the train leaving the station (with Tuco and Wallace on it) was supposedly longer in the US theatrical cut, before cutting directly to Tuco in the train and not dissolving out earlier to the early morning camp scene - Our 4K of the 161 minute cut matches the old MGM DVD of the theatrical cut exactly.

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