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    Not sure I watched the same film as Bradshaw. Just another okay but disappointing sequel. The plot is predictable, full of dumb character actions and plot holes and, while it looks great (apart from the fish tank lighting), it doesn't come anywhere near to the original in terms of world building. Also the supporting characters aren't memorable like the perfect casting of the original.
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    Saw it last night. I thought it was pretty good, and like most of these remake/reboot/sequels I was fully prepared to just ignore it and go on with my life. Not a patch on the original at all but I thought it was well done. Unnecessary? Sure. But so is all this crap. More of a straightforward detective narrative than a poetic lyrical dreamy manhunt, and visually at times very minimalist and modern compared to the baroque classical approach of the original. Gosling was good, this was the first movie I've ever seen him in and I thought he did a real solid job. Bautista was wonderful but not in it all that much. The main baddie and Jared Leto were weak, IMO, especially compared to Roy Batty and Tyrell. It was a very different movie compared to the first and I think that was for the best. They each have their own vibe.
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    Fantastic visual style and perhaps the best CGI I have ever seen.

    Sadly, that is all this film is. It has very little plot, even less character development and feels unfinnished and underdeveloped, which for a 2h40mins film shouldn't be possible.

    Can't say i am dissapointed though, as I was prepared to hate it like I do Mad Max Fury Road, this just made me feel extremely underwhelmed.
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    Answering the two basic questions up front: 1. Yes, BLADE RUNNER 2049 is a good, solid and worthy successor to the original 1982 classic. 2. My interpretation remains that Deckard is a human. (I also really admired how the filmmakers handled it here - addressing it without directly giving a definitive answer)

    I admit that I was not in the camp that felt that a follow-up to BLADE RUNNER was at all necessary - especially one so belated. Fortunately, the production aligned together a team of top notch talent, and most importantly, one of impeccable integrity. Director Denis Villenueve's 2049 is a direct follow-up, even allowing for the passage of thirty years. It plunges you back into the world of the original, but also adds depth and layers to that world, breaking out of L.A. to expand to San Diego and out to Las Vegas. Further, the themes of A.I. and humanity are given added layers and meaning. It does a yeoman job of using the time gap as an advantage and not a hindrance. I wasn't expecting such a direct lineage, and it becomes a double edged sword at some crucial junctures.

    Ryan Gosling is the new Blade Runner who, we are told from the outset is a Replicant (with the simple name of 'K'). His new superior officer is Joshi (Robin Wright). His 'girl' is an ultra-advanced Hologram Joi (Ana De Armas). The Tyrell corporation has been replaced in the android manufacturing forefront by the Wallace Corporation headed by Jared Leto and assisted by his slick Replicant sidekick Luv (Sylvia Hoeks). Without getting into spoilers, the basic plot follows K on a mission to take out a renegade Replicant (Dave Bautista). There he discovers a mysterious box which eventually leads to meeting with Deckard (Harrison Ford) and a confrontation with Wallace and Luv. The bare bones plot is simple enough to follow, but, little is exactly as it seems on first blush. And, again, there are several layers to each section of the movie, the most interesting of which is the notion of what exactly it is to be a sentient being in a world so dominated by technology. Whether you are the newest edition of Replicant, a sophisticated Hologram or a lowly cop, the characters always seem to be striving for answers. There's even a Replicant with a Hologram hook-up 3-way sex scene (I admit, I didn't quite buy the tech involved). And, that's not even close to the greatest mystery of existence in the movie.

    Villenueve and Producer Ridley Scott have brought back the original film's first screenwriter Hampton Fancher (co-written with Michael Green). And, the production team includes Production Designer Dennis Gassner (SKYFALL, TRUMAN SHOW), Cinematographer Roger Deakins (SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION, SICARIO), Costume Designer Renee April (ARRIVAL) and a huge SFX team among a hugely talented group. The world they create is impeccable as, like the script, it builds upon the original while still adding to that world. Still, as wonderful as the look is, I still have a passion for the original film's Production Design by Lawrence Paull, Jordan Cronewerth's Cinematography and Douglas Trumbull's Smoke, Model and Mirrors special effects. There is a warmth to them that still beckons 35 years later which the admittedly top notch new movie can't quite match. Deakins is one of the world's great DPs and he can make digital look as good as it can, but there's a colder edge to it. As I noted vis a vis Deckard - I interpret things very much with human eyes.

    Still, despite all the admirable efforts and the multi-layered screenplay, 2049 has substantial flaws. Some of the larger plot points aren't as deep or in need of explication as the filmmakers apparently feel they are. Reveals and twists are drawn out, as are more than a few individual scenes. While the movie's 143 length isn't an issue in and of itself, the pacing and the usage of that running time is. Some of the tonal shifts don't feel as much of a piece as they resemble story beats that must be metered out at given intervals. The 2022 blackout seems at times to be a catch-all rationale to conveniently create and cover gaps in the storytelling. The acting ensemble overall is very good, but the two exceptions are critical. Leto's Wallace never escapes the crazy mad scientist stereotype. It's eccentricity for idiosyncrasy sake. More importantly, the character isn't that interesting. While Wallace didn't have to be at all akin to Joe Turkel's introspective Tyrell in the original, some inkling of an inquisitive scientist would have been welcome to go along with the quirks. Robin Wright is a fine actress, but, unfortunately, her scenes come off as perfunctory and desultory (save for confrontation with Luv). It's as if they needed her character, but never gave enough thought to actually giving her an inner life. Joshi's just a cop, doing a job. It's doubly unfortunate since Wallace and Joshi represent a pair of the few outright fully human characters in the movie. (I'm certain there will be those who argue that the humans are portrayed in that manner by design)

    Flaws and all, 2049 is a skilled return to the Blade Runner universe. However, I don't believe it will have the repeat watching fervor of the original. Personally, I am not one who watches the same film over and over - with rare exceptions. BLADE RUNNER is one of them. What has always made the '82 film so eminently re-watchable is the mood and atmosphere that echoes the ethereal story-telling, all scored by Vangelis' synth classic. 2049 can be jarring tonally : The loud sound mix. The grating sound effects in the Replicant tests with K at the police station. I generally like Hans Zimmer, but his score (with Benjamin Wallfisch) is, at times, assaultive, despite a number of effective passages (we may never know why Johann Johannsson was replaced). The CGI is technically superb, but hard-edged and too immaculate. As is the cinematography. Director Denis Villenueve is one of the finest working today (INCENDIES, PRISONERS, ARRIVAL), but he isn't the smooth stylist that Ridley Scott is. He is more visceral (unsurprisingly, it is that aspect that works best in 2049). All top notch technically, but the original BLADE RUNNER was like a warm Audio-Visual bath - one you could comfortably luxuriate in.

    In the end, 2049 very much a direct sequel. Unless you are invested in the original, there isn't much here for casual viewers and newbies. The original (especially my preferred cut - the Workprint Version) was one of those films where the more you explored, the more layers and textures you could appreciate. The sequel feels like it asking the viewer to bring those meanings TO the movie, rather than the other way around. It's like the difference between an original or a copy. Or, in Blade Runner parlance - the difference between a human and replicant. An efficient high functioning replicant - but, one lacking the same human touch.
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    I think I think JoeS gave the film a very good analysis above

    I'm lazy to write in more detail so I'll just copy-paste my mini-review.

    Blade Runner 2049 (USA, 2016) [DCP] - 4/5
    Ambitious sequel is better than it has any right to be. Here's a film that refuses to cater to mass audiences, with limited action, beautifully patient pacing that allows shots to breathe, and a soft R-rating that is there just to support mature storytelling (it's less violent than the original). The challenging storyline also refuses to recycle the original movie, and there lies a bit of a problem as well. While Scott's film had a rich, existential world entwined around a tight plot taking place in very few locations, the sequel expands the world to so many distinctive places that it ends up having a weaker identity. It is grander, but less intimate and more plot driven. It also lacks some of the peculiarities of the original, such as the magical Vangelis score, an unforgettable villain, and the odd ways people were being hurt (sticking your fingers into an opponent's nose?), replaced by a Hollywood score and a one dimensional villain underling throwing standard martial arts moves. None of that makes the film bad; it simply prevents it from reaching the level of its amazing predecessor. It is, in fact, an excellent film and comes with some fantastic new ideas, such as a holographic girlfriend who seemingly develops real emotions, but is unable to express physical love since she lacks a body - a fascinating idea that gives birth to the film's very best scene.

    I love this beautiful 15 second TV spot, even though it doesn't really present the film's mood accurately.

    I actually saw the film twice, and I must say seeing trailers for Marvel (Thor) and DC (Justice League) films before 2049 was (an even more) depressing experience (than usual). Even with its flaws, 2049 is something to be grateful for.
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    According to this thread the US release date for the Blu-ray/UHD is 1/16/18.
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    I think we're going to have to wait another 30+ years for a Blade Runner sequel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jane View Post
    According to this thread the US release date for the Blu-ray/UHD is 1/16/18.
    I still haven't seen this... I was all amped to see it at the cinema but 2 hours and 45 minutes... for a Blade Runner... Somehow there was no evening I could dredge up the stamina for it. Annoyed the home release isn't till next year...

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    I was excited for it too, then my theatrical experience watching It was just so shitty that I wrote off going to the multiplexes. Figured I'd watch it in 4k at home without assholes on cell phones talking through the whole thing.
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