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    Tourist Trap

    So Full Moon has announced a US Blu-ray is in the works but who knows when that's coming out or what the quality will be like.

    In the interim, 88 films put this out...

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    ...or at least they're going to. 4/21/14 for this one.

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    So both the 88 Films and Full Moon Blu-ray releases are five minutes shorter than they should be. The film's director was confused by this as he didn't do anything to the film. He made a statement on his FB page and has asked that it be passed around.

    REGARDING THE ROGUE EDITOR OF THE SHORTER TOURIST TRAP VERSION


    I have written several extensive Facebook posts about the “edited” version of the Bluray release of TOURIST TRAP, but my posts keep getting taken down. So, I will post this on something I control and send it out – and hope it sticks.

    Now that I have read Charlie Band’s email (claiming he doesn’t know why five minutes are missing), I have a pretty good idea what happened.


    First of all, it’s completely disingenuous of Charlie to say: “I’m cc’ing David to see if he has any insight” since he knows very well that I was not involved in the production of the Bluray other than to make the audio Director Commentary – and to do an interview – both of which I did here in Las Vegas – at my own expense and efforts.


    I was not involved in the editing of the shorter version of TOURIST TRAP which is now on the Bluray version – nor did I know it was being done when I did the commentary. If I were to have done any editorial changes, it would have been called “The Director’s Cut.”


    The original theatrical cut of TOURIST TRAP is/was the “Director’s Cut, ” as far as I am concerned. I believe that would be the longer, 90 minute version – although I do not know what the time of that original version was – after all these years. I would have to go back to an old VHS version – and compare to the Cult Video DVD version (90 minutes). I suspect they are the same.


    The thing about TOURIST TRAP is that it has risen from relative obscurity from its original release in 1979 to some sort of cult film status. It has loyal fans, admirers, people who have written reviews, blogs, whole chapters in numerous books – all discussing the merits or lack of – of the movie. They are mostly diehard fans.


    So, you just don’t arbitrarily take out five minutes – and release a different cut from the original movie that has become a cult film – unless the original filmmaker does this new version – which sometimes but not always includes scenes or sections of the film that were originally cut from the film (ie. a LONGER version, not a shorter version) – with some explanations of why the director omitted these scenes from the original release. This “new material” gives the fans more insights into the movie they like so much.


    At this point, most people who will – or would - buy the Bluray version – are already fans of TOURIST TRAP - or are serious collectors of films. And they want MORE information about the film they are already fans of. I promise you they don’t want a “tighter” version by the producer.


    As Charlie said in his email, he spent a considerable amount of money to put out this Bluray version. And I am grateful for that. I am grateful he allowed me to do a new commentary – and the sit-down interview. And Charlie was generous enough to send me a number of the TOURIST TRAP Blurays for the crew who helped me with the commentary and the interview. I am also grateful for Charlie Band for hiring me to direct my first feature – TOURIST TRAP, in 1978 – he started my filmmaking career – and I made many films for him – and I was very happy to do so. I will ALWAYS be grateful for his support.


    Charlie is a totally hands-on producer, as anyone who has ever worked for him know, and there is no way he wasn’t aware of this edited, shorter version. There were only a few people in post who worked on this TOURIST TRAP Bluray. They were all paid by Charlie. I seriously doubt one of them was a rogue editor who decided - on his own - to cut out five minutes of the film – and slip it in. That could be what happened, but I doubt it. What would be easier to swallow is that one of these editors said to

    Charlie: “Let me have a pass at it – I’ll tighten it up – and make it better.”


    But, you just don’t do this. The customer will feel cheated. And they should.


    I have been flooded with questions about this edited version – and I can’t answer them all – so, hopefully my response will be passed around and shared – and not taken down.


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    Man, this is just weird...is five fucking minutes really going to tighten it up all that significantly? Never thought it needed "tightening up" in the first place. I'll be skipping both releases if this turns out to be true.
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    Where in the world would you take five minutes out of this film? I'll hang onto my old dvd.
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    All credit to stepehwilson04 at Bluray.com for his timings on what's missing & and shifted around -


    At 25:22 - 30sec missing.
    At 41:32 - 46sec missing (these now appear at 47:08).
    At 47:08 - the scene originally here (31sec, has been removed).
    At 62:25 - 2min 23sec missing (in it's place is a 47sec scene from 73:24 on the dvd).
    At 78:13 - 32sec missing.
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    From the 88 Films FB page:

    Just in case you didn't catch this earlier down the page, Charles Band has this to say about the Tourist Trap master:

    Most of the 35mm negatives of my early features have been in storage for years at various labs in Los Angeles. As we are able to afford it we have been taking the negatives out of the lab and making HD masters, then Blu ray masters and then replicating Blu ray discs. We have hired some of the best color correction experts we could find, have done audio commentaries and other special features when possible - all in an effort to bring the fans of our early works the best quality viewing experience possible. The issue of the 5 missing minutes of Tourist Trap is upsetting for all of us as we never touched the negative that has been in storage for 36 years. When the time came we simply had the lab deliver the negative to the color correction house who did their work and they then delivered an HD master back to us. We added the special features and then had the Blu ray master authored.

    Tourist Trap was distributed in the US by a company called Compass International. I was not involved in the theatrical distribution of my films back in the late 70’s and there could be many reasons why those minutes were cut out by the distributor: maybe for a foreign delivery, maybe to save money when making 35mm theatrical prints or maybe for a TV delivery. It’s even more strange since the old video master that we’ve used over the years to make the regular VHS and DVD copies most people have seen apparently was the longer version. When all of this came up I copied the director David Schmoeller to see if he could shed any light on the subject.

    He suggested that I possible had someone arbitrarily cut out 5 minutes to make the film play better. That's both an incorrect and unfortunate accusation, especially due to the fact that David personally did the audio commentary for the new HD remaster of his feature and never noticed or said a word to the effect that this was a shorter or damaged version.

    Bottom line: people who know me know that I’m not even a fan of remakes let alone am I someone who would cut out 5 minutes of any film I’ve made – especially a film that is considered one of our best. The fact that we’ve stored and kept these negatives safe for decades, and are now spending considerable money bringing them out on Blu ray, I know is appreciated by most of our fans. Anomalies will happen as records regarding elements stored for decades can be lost or their history forgotten. There’s only one original 35mm negative on any film – and the one we used to make a beautiful HD master of Tourist Trap is apparently an alternate cut than the one widely circulated.

    As I originally asked of David, if anyone out there can offer any insight, I urge them to contact us.

    In the meantime, in my opinion, save for the missing or alternate scenes in question, this is the best Tourist Trap has ever looked and, especially after watching it again now, I believe it still has the power to affect and frighten its audience.

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    And, to throw fuel on the fire, more from the director:

    WHY CHARLES BAND RELEASED THE 85 MINUTE BUTCHERED VERSION OF TOURIST TRAP:

    How about this possibility: Charlie Band no longer had access to the original negative - because he hadn't paid his lab bill - so, he had to resort to other sources – possible a foreign version - which happened to be a version that was an 85 min cut. A number of experts have said they are sure the TT Bluray released was not from the original negative. I have no idea, David. I am just the original filmmaker. And I think Charlie is being disingenuous - and is really under-estimating the fans of this movie. His first curt statement was really insulting - to the fans of the film and only incidentally to me. His next statement, much more reflective of the uproar - was a more sympathetic statement to the fans - but also a prevarication - because he knew of the Cult Video DVD - which was based on the original negative - and which he paid for - yet in his statement - he pretended the 85 minute version was the "labs fault" – which he had to know was untrue. He wants us to believe he had no knowledge that the version he put out on the Bluray was shorter. I don't really believe that - but it could be true. But, let’s say it IS true, then he is just incredibly careless as a distributor. And he should pay the consequences for his actions - and face the wrath of a dissatisfied consumer. He can attack me all he wants - I have nothing to lose. He has not paid me the money he owes me for residuals on Puppetmaster - which are significant - or on Tourist Trap. And, he can continue to remove my name from my works - as he did when he removed my credit A FILM BY DAVE SCHMOELLER from the first PUPPETMASTER - which is contractually required. I wrote and directed PUPPETMASTER - and he then subsequently put HIS name above the title: CHARLES BAND'S PUPPETMASTER - as if HE wrote and directed the film. He can continue to remove my credits from the films I wrote and directed for him over the years - but he can't complete erase history (fortunately, the films I wrote & directed for him during the Empire years – are owned and released my MGM. I am sure I will be credited for the work I did despite his effort to discredit me. My work will always speak for itself. And his reputation will always shadow him. And if he wants to keep attacking me, I will continue fighting back. Bring it on, Charlie Band. I am fighting for my films. You are fighting for money.
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    And to add more fuel to the fire, JR Bookwalkter chimes in about the old DVD, which included the footage:

    "This is not entirely true... I personally supervised the telecine of the original negative for the original Cult Video DVD release for Full Moon during my tenure as post-production supervisor, and as those who own it can attest, it was indeed the longer version fans know and love.

    I haven't been in the Full Moon fold since 2002, so I can't claim to know what elements were used to create this new Blu-ray release, but I suspect it's another source entirely — as Charlie himself noted, "There’s only one original 35mm negative on any film.""
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    This cracked me up. Not sure where it originated from, I saw it pop up on @ghoulbasement's twitter feed.

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    Kinda glad I cancelled my preorder for the 88 Films Blu-ray a month or two ago, but enormously frustrated about this regardless, as I was looking forward to getting this release when I could afford it.
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